If the question arose and they wanted back in then the 4 nations should get a say. and I can hardly believe they would ask to come back to be soooo subjucated by the demon English . as my father used to say you make your bed you lie on it.
That spells it out rather neatly…but the bottle of Bells still rules in quite a few places up there. If the Ref was to be any use on a YES then perhaps it could cause the EU to split…will hold breath for a little while.
Not a word from Salmond as to whether the frozen expat Scots will remain frozen or if an independent Scotland will do the right thing and stop the discrimination of it’s own seniors. I have asked on numerous blogs and articles as have many others, the silence has been deafening!
Totally agree with Maureen, us English folk should get a say if they want to come back ‘in’ as should the other members of the United Kingdom.
Now why hasn’t our Prime Minister said all that Roger? Why didn’t HE explain all that truth to the people eh? If there is just ONE more ‘Yes’ to a separate Scotland than to the “NO” side-we loose the top of the UK map? Forever eh?
Well, quite so. This eminently sensible statement by Roger Helmer just shows even more starkly the dim-witted incompetence of our prime minister, who has been a disaster for the Conservative Party and the country. Even with a ‘no’ vote (which I predict), Cameron will have generated a long period of conflict and turmoil, which could have been avoided.
Roger, the younger set of the YES vote have all been mesmerised by Herr Salmond. All the want is the total destruction of the UK and Westminster. Sadly our political leaders are totally out of their depth and that is the reason we are in this mess. For the majority of the YES voters it is all about me me me and everyone else can ******** themselves. Scotland today is a Dictatorship and come Thursday it will be a REAL dictatorship. Logic and common sense has no place in the minds of latest versions of Braveheart. They have yet to learn that the whole world evolves around economics and that is the only thing that will decide their future. Money Markets or Westminster what a choice to have to make. At least you can change Westminster every 5 years.
In the event of a Yes vote the EU will be falling over themselves to recognise Scottish “Independence”, they will of course exact a stiff price , they will not be able to resist getting their hands all that lovely oil , and Scotland will find they are forced into the Euro sooner rather than later.
Already there are voices on the left advocating the Balkanisation of England on similar lines as those drawn up on the infamous EU map, using their hoped for Scottish Independence as an excuse.
The paranoia displayed in this comment is just astonishing. You must lead a very unhappy life.
A little paranoia when dealing with the EU commissars is good insurance , do you remember the UK fishing Industry , have you seen the effects of the arrest warrants on our citizens , the mass immigration of illiterate gypsies from Bulgaria and Romania , the human excrement around Marble Arch .
The only cause of unhappiness are the likes of yourself, lying down like poodles to have your bellies scratched by Brussels.
Brian, what in the main we find equally astonishing is your compliance and complacency.
It would appear to me to be a blend of self interest and obliviousness.
Those of us who are aware we realise that we’re being shafted from all directions and we’re non too pleased about it.
There are those who accept and comply and those who question.
Of course I question, but you UKIPpers are always so negative about the EU. It is not all bad. I agree that there are a number of aspects that need amending and improving but this will not be achieved by disengaging from the project. All UKIP does is snipe from the sidelines and most of them do nothing in the EU Parliament (not bothering to attend and vote but still collecting their rather generous allowances). That is not how things get changed. That is not the way forward. Just accept that the UK is in the EU and work to make it better, rather than looking for things (mostly non existent) to criticise it over.
No,its you …just a complete addled head along with your EU extremist friends in Europe
So UKIP in the EU does not attend…try this: (Ukraine)
Brian, The eu has core intents for it’s own purposes and these core intents are non negotiable, how this fits with a notion of democracy escapes me.
Of the nations comprising the eu, over half a net recipients, a net recipient to me is bought support. The recipient nations politicians have won the lottery already and are almost invariably going to vote with the collective, principally for their own continuance, how this fits with a notion of democracy escapes me.
The eu parliament is the same as ours, it’s principal function is to foster the illusion of democracy. There are some good people in both establishments but not enough in either to return us to a democracy.
You talk of net recipients. Of course there will be some who are net recipients in any union, whether that union be a multi national union or a national union. If you are against this principle of society then presumably you are perhaps in favour of, say London, becoming a separate state because many of the regions of the UK are net recipients of wealth created in London. Or perhaps the City of London seceding from that London state because it creates more wealth than, say, Tower Hamlets and Southwark. At what point do you stop?
As I have said the EU is not perfect but the way forward it to change it for the better, rather than to adopt the UKIP cop out solution which is to scrap it.
Good government does not put its eggs in only one basket.
It builds up all regions, and builds up its manufacturing base and trades with the world.,and does not rely only on its capital city to generate the country’s wealth!
Linda, I agree absolutely with that and was not suggesting otherwise. My point was to illustrate the stupidity of using the “net recipients” argument against the EU, or any other union for that matter.
Brian, I’d love to change it but it isn’t for changing, just expanding. Care of its’ bought and bribed support it has no need to consider changing.
The only possible negotiation with it is from an out position.
Fly I am afraid that we shall have to agree to disagree on this matter.
Well described Roger
After all this is finally settled what for the referendum on UK leaving the
EU will the same corporate and foreign banks antagonism be replicated to dissuade the UK citizens from voting yes
Nice little talk! Well spoken!
Mr Cameron called it very wrong when he split the Conservatives right down the middle by refusing to listen to Nigel Farage at the very beginning. He made exactly the same mistake with Mr Salmond.
Now, like his master, President Obama, he is betraying his supporters. People in England watch as he is promising the ungrateful Scottish people freebies out of our money.
And it is just this sort of lunacy coming from UKIP that really shows why I am so opposed to this party and its policies. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/former-ukip-deputy-leader-calls-for-sections-of-koran-to-be-banned-4000
Good Lord !!
well now, click on Google North East England, and read in the Journal that there is more oil in their waters than in Scotland, and is .great news for the work hungry people of the North East.
I personally, will be dreading a yes vote tomorrow, why?, because My son will sell up, and move back to England.
My son stated,that he would not mind living in a foreign country of his choosing, but will not live in a country who’s politicians has made him stateless!
Hi Linda. If there is a yes vote any English with the hope of returning home had better accept that trying to sell will be a massive problem. We are in the same boat as your son and have to face the fact that we maybe condemed to live in Dictatorship Scotland for a very long time or leave with nothing
I just hope this doesn’t degenerate into an Irish style confrontation.
Don’t hold your breath!!
Anyway, if Scotland votes YES, then the UNITED KINGDOM no longer exists!
ALL TREATIES SIGNED WITH EUROPE ARE INVALID AND MUST BE RENEGOTIATED!
That is absolute rubbish! The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will still exist, but Scotland would not be part of it. That’s all. All this nonsense of renegotiation is just a lunatic and desperate hope from the likes of UKIP.
Thats the thing with the eu the, rules mean what they want them to mean on the day.
England, Wales and Northern Ireland will still be in the U.K. Scotland would have to negotiate with the E.U. for membership!
Various suggestions state 5 to 7 years (Spanish guess), and that requires the drop of an adopted currency and acceptance of the Euro for one thing. Think of all that fish and oil? That’s after 18 months of negotiating detail with Westminster and is something that should of been done before a referendum. Why would anybody vote on something seriously important without full understanding of such details? They also could of done this without the legacy RBS/HBOS/Labour created financial mess hanging about.. There is a distinct wiff of the old RBS gang within the SNP.
Just wondering how the EU loons are going to quieten down the large amount of Catalonians…sanctions?
Good government does not put its eggs into only one basket, but rather builds up its regions, and manufacturing base, so as to trade with the world, and does not just rely on it’s capital city to generate our country’s main means of wealth!
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