Watch my interview with Evan Davis on BBC Newsnight –
“So the question for any Ukip supporter who has a reasonable issue here is: would you rather this money, which is British taxpayers’ money, was given to one of the German or other foundations which promote further European integration, or would you rather some of the money goes to us to oppose European integration?”
You can watch the clip here – http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04v4j2p/newsnight-15122014 – the segment starts on 12 minutes and 40 seconds.
Roger Helmer MEP 
A political tight rope that kept getting jerked by BBC, well done Roger. The Stolen money was a great idea for the State propaganda machine, and it didn’t even score a point for them.
My slight niggle is once ones feet are well under the table, how much harder is it to kick the EU table over?
We remain absolutely committed to getting Britain out of the EU — which is worth far more money to UK PLC than staying in. And our partners in Europe are all concerned about stopping or unwinding European integration — the Italian Five Star movement wants a referendum on €uro membership, for example.
I recon its Dealin with the devil,
As if non of the other parties, groups don’t grab what they can, its like saying the opposition parties in the House of Commons should not get any money, do you agree labour , Greens, & the NI parties, oops forgot the SNP, I assume all those refuse ANY Money from the state, yes frogs might fly.
Right, David. I can’t see how it can make sense for UKIP MEPs to accept salaries and expenses from the EU, but refuse to use other available resources to further the cause of British independence. Especially when using those resources effectively means getting our own money back from the EU institutions.
You are asking one that went through every bit of that last WAR and obviously, living near Barton Swing Bridge over the Manchester Ship Canal which was of course used by the big ships very often (odd to see big ships looking as if they were sailing in far off fields (about half a mile away actually) such a strange sight. Plus there is no point in trying to live in a House that has no windows and front door either but so glad my school was bombed too and I was able to go shrapnel collecting until, and bless those well intentioned people, they went and found woodsheds at the back of another school that hadn’t been “got at”. Spoil sports! So Roger, do you really think I would want to give a single halfpenny to any German Foundation!
And just to make sure leaving school in those days was no hardship, here for you a ditti that was written when there was only 11 nation states trapped in the EEC/EC now EU
.EUROPANTO GOBBL-DE-GOOP.
Esté nueva idioma, no es crazy,
Pero it can make unas personas trés lazy,
No necesitar to learn eleven idiomas,
For al final cette course, no hay diplomas.
C’est trés facile than “Old English Pigion”,
Per favore-grazie, you learn just a smidgen,
Straight up mate, vous ne regrettez pas,
Just cheek, sommi Old Greek, you understand JA?
Was darf es sein more than anything now?
For c’est un morçeau de gateau, mein Frau,
C’est wild, to learn impotante Europese,
Just mix up todo este idiomas avec mucho ease.
Beware though, personas in Brussels just might,
Qué commencer as a joke, may be taken as right,
Si Europanto catches on, c’est vraiment to relate,
Mucho interpreters will meet a very sad fate.
Goodbye, Arrivederci, Gia sas, Hasta Luego, Adjö, Näkemiin,
Farvel, Dag, Au revior, Até logo, and Auf Wiedersehen,
N’est pas vraiment, C’est un horreur,
Arrividerci———————until tomorreur!!!!
If I may quote the first sentence in Ross Clark’s article in todays Daily Express, page 12, Tuesday December 16 2014.
“Why is it that the campaign for Scottish independence was widely lauded for its positive tone, even among those who voted against while those who argue for Britain to leave the UK are so often condemned for negativity?”
We are perhaps at fault for basing our Brexit case too much on the damage which EU membership does, and not enough on the positive benefits of getting out — like improved industrial competitiveness, a reduction in unnecessary red tape, lower energy prices, and (eventually) lower taxes. The key economic arguments for Brexit are about growth, jobs, prosperity. Then there are the democratic arguments for independence ….
Ive never had an issue with taking money from the EU in order that we can defeat them and as long as it is within the rules, no problem. Like it or not, politics costs money and winning elections costs even more. Only with a degree of pragmatism can UKIP win the war and one of the better features of the modern party is dealing with reality as we know it, rather than a utopian idea of UKIP winning with no money and Nigel chasing the EU off the beaches of Dover on a horse.
I fully back Roger on this, I somewhat doubt the people who oppose it are willing to dip into their pockets to make up the difference either.
Gerrard Batten, one of London’s MEPs, told Newsnight the party staged an internal referendum on the issue three years ago – and rejected the idea of taking EU cash by establishing a new pan-European party.
He said: “I’m not interested in being part of a European political party. The members of UKIP weren’t asked. There’s been no consultation.”
“We had a referendum last time which was expensive. I can’t think of any arguments that would make me want to join. I think the feeling among the activists is that they won’t be in favour of it.”
And Tim Congdon, who led the opposition during the 2011 internal UKIP vote on joining a European political party, said: “In 2011 UKIP held a big internal debate on the issue. The party membership voted two to one against UKIP’s affiliation to a PEPP.
“That was the clear and unambiguous democratic verdict of the party membership after a big debate extending over several months. I am much saddened that the leadership should now have decided to ignore and overrule the clearly expressed view of the party membership.”
None of us is interested in being part of “a European party”. But we are interested in reducing the resources available to the enemy, and increasing the resources available to our own side.
Heard that on R4 this morning…cannot be bothered with Newsnight anymore. Just need the licence to go.
If its authorised by the EU to do that..do it. Their fault really and ours for coughing up so easily. Just thinking of the people taxed to the bone here, only to hand it over to that place.
Evan needs to go back to Dragons Den.
The video won’t play for me here In Canada, I don’t know why, I’m able to play the videos from the EU parliament, perhaps it’s a BBC thing!
Hi Jane,
It probably needs a video player with “forked tongue software”
BBC language
Do you not pay the BBC licence..tut. tut
Its not on Youtube either because the BBC doesn’t like you to see it without the BBC iPlayer licence warning. Trouble is we have to put up with the piles of pure BS on the World Service for free…book at bedtime in January will include the empty brained authoring of the Assassination of Mrs Thatcher:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/dec/15/hilary-mantel-assassination-mrs-thatcher-other-literary-takedowns
Sorry..its the Guardian!
OK thanks for the theory’s….I think!
Maybe someone can put it on Youtube…….(?)!!
Its BBC IPR up to the point they do release it. Thats a p*ss take of Evan Davis protection in other words and keeps a few thousand employed running a cr*p website. Thats partly theory…guess which bit.
Evan Davis…my ar….oops!
Sorry Jane. BBC i-player doesn’t work in Brux or Straz either. I think it’s limited to UK “for copyright reasons”.
You could try a UK Proxy Server. There’s info and a list here:
https://www.stopblocks.co.uk/
When a British Government may have to allow the EU to “SPEAK” for all its Member States on the matters of TRADE-not just food trade either-to the USA, (SEE TTIP) there is absolutely no point in having a Government or ANYONE in those two Houses of parliament any longer, and we most certainly cannot allow the EU to speak for the United Kiungdom of GREAT Britain and Northern Ireland, for our very own Common Law Constitution forbids foreigners speaking for or on behalf of the people in the UK.-….”…all usurped and foreign power and authority…may forever be clearly extinguished, and never used or obeyed in this realm. …no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate…shall at any time after the last day of this session of Parliament, use, enjoy or exercise any manner of power, jurisdiction, superiority, authority, preeminence or privilege…within this realm, but that henceforth the same shall be clearly abolished out of this realm, for ever.”
Our problem remains lodged in the Metropolitan Police Force, they are still refusing to act on the reported crimes from 14 seperate Police Authorities throughout our land. Treason is reported and they sit on their hands, WHY is this allowed to just happen?
It’s allowed to happen Brin because the police force is under the thumb of the government of the day, the very people who are guilty of treason. So it’s like expecting turkeys to vote for Christmas.
So how come nobody is standing up and demanding that this Common Law Constitution be obeyed? My guess is it is being conveniently forgotten and has been sacrificed on the alter of big bucks. Making money for the few is more important and the knowledge that Joe Public, who fund the money machine in Brussels, has no idea that their constitutional rights have been abandoned in this way. Treason used to be a capital offence….when did that change?
when tony blair changed it so as he would not be hanged when he was found out
A long time ago now, I, as an ex Magistrate had to go out of my own County to lodge
charges of TREASON re our Government’s ratification of those EEC Treaties which are absolutely contrary to our very own Common Law Constitution. Even THEN the Court was emptied of other people which I only realised when I came out of the Court, although it was full of Clerks etc to listen to the charges so made. Obviously I was refused. However, without doubt, I still believe I was right for right, for from the beginning of being and before any proposed MP may take up his seat, he/she as a British Subject, from the moment they are born here-it is as if they had already sworn allegiance to the wearer of the British Crown for any one born here, from that moment they have the protection of the Crown. However, I also realised that those EEC/EC EU Treaties also apply to ever Judge in this Country too!
Let’s get back to this pan European ADDE and its controversial funding as mentioned on Newsnight
If this is a gravey train then UKIP need to use it as Roger explained Not only that we never gave our permission to contribute to this EU conglomerate in the first place ?
This is just one small tea leaf in a big pot to be exaggerated and milked by the biased BBC who are on the same train but to demote our great nation into a socialist state within this troublesome Europe!
Sorry we went off topic my excuse is I can’t access the video so have no idea what it’s all about!
Jane…I have cut the soundtrack part:
[audio src="http://www.rnrplace.com/test/rhelmer_nn.mp3" /]
Starts with a bit of BBC journo babble and then Mr Helmer says it as it is…enjoy
The link won’t work Colin for some reason, I even copied it out and still had no luck. Thanks for trying.
Working here Jane:
“http://www.rnrplace.com/test/rhelmer_nn.mp3”
Ensure you copy only “http://www.rnrplace.com/test/rhelmer_nn.mp3″ without the two ” or anything else this website adds. From the http thru to .mp3 only. Make sure that its the URL that goes into your browser.
Thanks Colin worked this time!
I suppose UKIP, in using this money, is saying in order to beat them we must also join them?
I still can’t access the Newsnight video but at least I get the gist of the conversation.
The BBC block regions outside of UK (IP address ranges – Geo-IP) as regards iPlayer. 4 OD etc. Although you can pay for it. Just imagine if they didn’t…the internet would be at a crawl with all the junk they produce. There are ways around it, but I’d have to shoot myself before I told you?
The EU is the same (just) as any business as regards internal finances..if you need it to conduct your mandated work…so be it. Most of us interpret that as an EU gravy train. Fill yer boots while you can!
Jane: We’re absolutely NOT saying that in order to beat them we must join them. But we’re saying that we urgently need more funding, and that if we can liberate British taxpayers’ money and use it to promote British independence (while denying those funds to the enemy), we have not only a right but a duty to do so.
Note the question mark Roger……I made the comment tongue in cheek! I thought it may provoke a response. My humour is sometimes hard to put over on this blog. We need some emoticons!!!
You ask, ““So the question for any Ukip supporter who has a reasonable issue here is: would you rather this money, which is British taxpayers’ money, was given to one of the German or other foundations which promote further European integration, or would you rather some of the money goes to us to oppose European integration?” I TRULY SEE NO POINT IN PAYING FOR ANYONE IN THOSE TWO HOUSES IN OUR HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT WHEN ALL THEY CAN DO IS OBEY THE LAWS OF FOREIGNERS. We went to WAR in 1939-1945 to prevent foreigners Governing us. And where would you all be if we hadnt eh! Many of you might never have been born, and certainly we would be minus one section of Religion. So, my money-if I had any to spare, should go to oppose European Integration, or a UKI Old Folk’s home!
Absolutely right Anne….as a baby boomer I most probably would not be here if you and your generation had not fought for our freedom. Thank you.
This is important, it explains in great detail how UKIP came into being and why it’s needed as a result of Treason being committed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv5O_Gq30ow The forward is by Sir Patrick Moore and other well known non politicians make their contributions. As it Utube everyone should be able to view it.