“Renegotiation”: Cameron’s Catch 22

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“If you want us to help you control immigration, the first thing you have to do is to accept more immigrants”.  Amongst all the Alice-in-Wonderland contradictions of the European project, surely few are delineated in such stark relief as the news which has emerged this morning (Sept 2nd).

The Times main headline reads “Germany turns on Britain over migrants”.  We read that Stephan Mayer, described as a spokesman for home affairs for Merkel’s Christian Democrats, said “If Britain is out of the club in this big task of sharing (migrant) burdens, this could do some harm … to David Cameron’s ambition to be successful in his EU renegotiation”.

And it’s not just Germany.  The Telegraph reports that Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann also threatened to block Cameron’s bid for EU reform if the UK did not take in more immigrants.

But recent polling shows that immigration is the Number One political concern for British voters.  From a UK perspective, control over immigration is a vital element of any EU reform – it’s one of the very few objectives that Cameron has announced, in a renegotiation agenda characterised by an amazing paucity of ambition.  So the Catch 22: in order to control immigration, we have to accept more immigrants.  Madness.

These developments serve to illustrate the problems facing Cameron’s much vaunted renegotiation initiative.  Clearly European leaders aren’t prepared to grapple with the real issues of concern to the UK.  Angela Merkel has been quite specific.  She stands for the defence of the EU’s “free movement” principle, and has said that she would rather see the UK leave the EU than compromise free movement.  Good thinking Angela.  We’d like to leave too, and that would solve the problem.

But there is a broader issue. In any negotiation, both side look for benefits.  Cameron is targeting a few trivial changes that might benefit Britain, but let’s be in no doubt that his continental interlocutors will want countervailing concessions which in all probability will disadvantage this country.  Even if Cameron comes back waving a piece of paper and declaring “Peace in our time – Game, Set and Match”, we may find that we’re looking at a zero-sum outcome.

There is one point which German and Austrian critics are clearly failing to take into account.  Britain is already facing unprecedented levels of mass immigration, and EU rules prevent us from getting a grip on the problem.  Cameron promised (“no ifs, no buts”) to get net immigration down to tens of thousands, and has wholly failed.  The latest annual figure for net immigration is the highest ever recorded, at 330,000, and on a rising trend.  Even that figure underestimates the scale of the problem: the latest figure for gross immigration is close to 600,000. Faced with such massive numbers, and the high level of public concern, it is futile to ask the UK to take a “fair share” of the 800,000 migrants which Germany expects this year.  Sorry, Angela, but the answer is “NO”.

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29 Responses to “Renegotiation”: Cameron’s Catch 22

  1. Anne says:

    I see absolutely no point in voting for anyone to Govern this country if they can no longer “GOVERN” us according to our very own Common Law Constitution. Not one UK MP can Govern this Country by our Constitution and “According to Law” because they have to obey each and every EEC/EC now EU Treaties between them, THEY have Ratified-without ever putting one Treaty for the people to have THEIR say-before they ratified any one of them. As a once Conservative voter (because of that truly GREAT Prime Minister that took us through that last WAR which was about PREVENTING FOREIGNERS GOVERNING US, I DID INDEED USED TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE-BUT NEVER AGAIN.

    Now that Mr Cameron has set up the EU REGIONS there is abslutely no point in having or paying anyone in either Houses of Parliament-for ALL have to obey those TREATIES.

  2. Anne says:

    Perhaps I should explain WHY I feel so strongly about the EU? We, as a family were indeed bombed out of our House and Home in that last WAR for we lived on the outskirts of that Great City of Manchester, near the Manchester Ship Canal-which was used all the time in those days.

  3. Ex-expat Colin says:

    “The European Union has effectively threatened to cut funding to countries like Britain unless they agree to take more refugees”.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/02/eu-tells-members-take-migrants-or-lose-grants/

    Thats ok…just that we reduce our club fee by a similar amount. But, it won’t work like that with the fools that are in UK Gov.

    I often note that the “refugees” we see in news pics appear to be remarkably clean? Clothes look almost off the peg generally. Am sure if you do long distance walks, drives and climb barbed wire etc, plus sleep rough, you would look rather dishevelled and dirty fairly quickly.

    I heard on either BBC WS or R4 this am that about 100 refugees(?) had flown to Moscow and cycled through to Norway. Different?

    And the EU is throwing a good few million Euros’s at a new immigrant camp for refugees around Calais. Seriously do hate us..don’t they?

  4. David says:

    If the eu was a “proper parliament”, which N Kinnock agreed it isnt, then it would be the parliament diuscussaing, deciding things, not the gorgeous Angela!

    • ian wragg says:

      The EU is essentially the German Forth Reich. Angela calls the shots and the Vichy French act as bagmen.
      If anyone seriously thinks I’m joking then youn had better wake up pretty sharp.
      Most if not all EU is designed to marginalise the UK to the benefit of France and Germany. I forsee trouble ahead with Angelas open door policy to immigrants especially if there turns out to be a large contingent of ISIL followers.

  5. Jane Davies says:

    The UK has a history of taking in refugees. Surely the size of the country and it’s present population per square mile (or kilometre) has to taken into consideration?
    I got this from UK Watch……

    ” A study of official census records from 1851 until the present shows that the number of people born abroad living in Britain was very small until the middle of the twentieth century and that the growth of this population between censuses was quite slow. Indeed, in the eighty years between 1851 and 1931, the population born abroad increased by only about one million. It increased slowly after the Second World War, growing by less than two million in the forty years between 1951 and 1991. In the late 1990s the pace and scale of migration increased to a level without historical precedent. Indeed the foreign born population of England and Wales more than doubled, increasing by nearly four million in the twenty years between the 1991 and 2011 censuses. It has now reached 13.4% of our population. This massive increase dwarfs the scale of any previous inflow in our history.”

    It would be useful to know if other EU countries have stepped up over the decades in the same way.

  6. C.KAY says:

    2013/2014 people per square kilometre
    England 413
    germany 227
    france120
    the U.K.aso whole267(but l can`tsee many migrants wanting to live in the scottish
    highlands or the remote hills of central wales)
    One last thing didn`t we take thousands of refugees from germany about 80 years ago.

    • David says:

      We did, and quite right to do it then, but I doubt there were any, many terrorists amongst them, and there were no benefits to be able to fall back on, they got stuck in and survived on their own abilities. Not quite the same these days.

    • Brin Jenkins says:

      Scotland is not England! We in England are over full, and have been since the 60’s. Is C Kay living in in Scotland. The contributor sounds a bit like its OK for you but not Scotland. Personally I think we don’t need or want them here.

    • Jane Davies says:

      No I think not….the then British government turned away the Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany and sent them back to the gas chambers. Another piece of British history to be proud of……..

  7. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Having seen so much of this invasion problem (cr*p media), I think this gets round to saying it as it is:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3221855/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-child-s-death-tragic-not-fault.html

    I know its supposed to be spin (la, la, la). Anyway, have advised wife that when she buys a paper today either not buy it or bin it immediately having torn the crossword out.

    So much we don’t know…?

    • Jane Davies says:

      That’s a good article……and the question is asked as to why the father after living in Turkey for a year made the decision to get into an unsafe dinghy with his precious family. Turkey is a Muslim country so why not stay there or go to another ‘safe’ Muslim country? He said the family is Kurdish so why not go to Kurdistan?
      More questions than answers as to why the fleeing Muslims, instead of going to peaceful Muslim countries pick non Muslim countries.

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        And then the father goes back home to Syria…just like that:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222135/Syrian-boys-Aylan-Galip-Kurdi-s-father-returns-Kobane-bury-sons-wife.html

        I think we are seeing the ex-rich of Syria who cannot crack it in Turkey moving on to Euro la, la land. And what we see with leadership here…is not leadeship. Plus the fact we hear nothing about what the peoples of europe think. If I were still in Germany I would be very worried. Its clearly an invasion.

      • Jane Davies says:

        The fathers sister was on our local news as she lives in BC and she told him not to go back to Syria to bury his family, she looked expensively dressed and was sitting outside her very nice house, I expect you saw it on UK news……..but then these men would never do as a mere woman advised, they are after all just chattels.

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        I’m avoiding the news as much as I can, only because of the bias (oops…spin) by the reporting.

        Spending a week in London in a fortnight and not looking forward to that at all. I’ll get a lot of the ground level news from my bricky and sparky contacts…that’ll be well spun.

        Men..its not gone unnoticed.

  8. Brin Jenkins says:

    I like this simple Logic countering the unfair burden placed on the UK, a bit of balancing up first.

    THE SOLUTION TO BRITAIN’S IMMIGRATION PROBLEM

    Our rulers – Mrs Merkel and Hollande – have demanded that all
    European countries take their “fair share” of the (mainly Muslim)
    migrant hordes (Swarms?) over-running Europe’s apparently
    unguarded borders.

    But how do you decide what a “fair share” is? Merkel and Hollande
    will probably try to link the number of migrants to each country’s GDP
    as that will ensure Britain gets landed with most of the flood of human
    beings, pouring into Europe.

    But I’ve got a better idea. Why not link the number of refugees each
    country takes to its population density?

    Not only that, but I’ve even worked out the numbers for Merkel and her
    French colleague.

    Here’s how I’ve done it. I’ve started with Europe’s most densely
    populated country – England. England’s population density is 413 people
    per square kilometre (413 ppl/km2). Then I’ve worked out how many
    refugees the main European countries could take for them to reach the
    same population density as Europe’s most densely populated country –
    England (see table attached)

    This shows that to reach the same population density as England (413
    ppl/km2), Germany could take 67 million migrants, France could
    accommodate a whopping 160 million and Spain and even larger 161
    million. And our close neighbours in Scotland have room for over 25
    million! That should please socialist Sturgeon.

    In all, just the thirteen European countries (on my table above) could
    accommodate more than 680 million migrants before reaching the same
    population density as England.

    Well. That seems to solve the problem of deciding how countries should
    take their “fair share” of the migrant swarm. So, using my
    calculations, there’s no need for Europe’s most densely populated
    country – England – to take any migrants at all and our friends in
    these thirteen countries can comfortably absorb over 680 million
    migrants.

    That seems to me to be giving each country the “fair share” that Merkel
    and Hollande demand!

    It’s pity that Dave has neither the brains to think up such a solution, nor
    the balls to protect our national interests by standing up to Merkel and
    Hollande.

    England is full! Let the migrant deluge go somewhere else!

    Albert.

    population-density-and-migrants-300×225.jpg

    • Jane Davies says:

      Well done Brin…sounds good to me why not go to the Downing Street website and let them have this!

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      You omitted preference(s) Brin. The swarm piling in at the moment want to live in Germany initially. And then select somewhere else if that fails them somehow…London is a must! Seems they couldn’t crack it in Turkey…not a surprise really. And is a vast amount of men!!

      Thanks to Geldforf etc I suspect I’ll have to go over to B&Q and buy a heap of plasterboard/stud to divide my rooms and garage up. Then likely handover my car and house keys. Sounds extreme I know, but the London luvvies and weird celebrities are on it…and they are very extreme.

      The irresponsibility is amazingly huge. Just imagine this lot living nearby or in your house. The differences are massive and what exactly are they going to do, apart from draw benefits? And when there’s a bust up… thats happened recently adjacent to my flat in London and they are of M. East origin. So far its noise and fires in the garden (smokeless zone). I’m surprised the ducks are still alive?

      Some of the detail was on BBC R4 this morning. Councils loving the idea of rooms being offered by residents and all sounding so easy? Oh..and Choudary has been let out on bail…just in time!

      Brin…your jpg file needs a URL (server address) to appear here.

  9. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Immigrants throw away the food and the water what they get:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=344_1441354394

    Or if we don’t get our way…!!

    Just a little taster for us really?

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  11. Ian Terry says:

    CMD wants us to be part of this circus? His head is where the sun ain’t shining!!

    If you are wondering why Greece is basically a bankrupt country, having to live off continual handouts, and why there are now street demonstrations against changes which will affect their way of life, then please read on……….
    Experts mandated by the European Union to investigate the causes that led Greece to the current economic situation related the following facts:
    Greece falsified its accounts to enter the Euro zone and has distorted the facts
    Until the economy finally imploded.
    There were massive retirements allowed at the age of fifty years.
    At Evangelismos hospital there are 50 drivers for six official cars, and in the town square there are 45 gardeners employed to tend a small lawn with 4 bushes.
    Greece has by far the highest population in the world of people reporting an age of 110 years,
    And more. The deaths are often not registered and pensions continue to be received.
    The European Union had found that on average there are families receiving 4 to 5 monthly pensions which they are not entitled to. There were still pensions being paid to persons who died in 1953,
    Over 60 years ago. Some 40,000 girls receive a monthly life pension of 1,000 euros for the simple fact that they were unmarried daughters of deceased civil servants.
    This, at a cost to the state coffers of €550 million euros per year.
    Henceforth they will receive pensions only up to the age of 18.
    Pacemakers in Greek hospitals were acquired at a price 400 times higher than in a British hospital. In Greece, many workers have benefited from early retirement, set at 50 years for women
    And 55 for men who belong to one of the 600 job categories identified as being particularly painful, among which are included;
    – Hairdressers (because of dyes that may be considered harmful)
    – The musicians of wind instruments (blowing into a flute is exhausting)
    – TV presenters (the microphones are supposed to cause damage to health).
    **** This law was adopted by the Socialist government of 1978.
    There are thousands of ridiculous “trick” departments and unnecessary institutions,
    Which many Greeks live off. For example, The Institute for the Protection of Kopais Lake,
    A dry lake since 1930.
    In the last decade, Greece has created over 300 new public companies, employing tens of thousands of people. Tax evasion is massive, over 28% of Greeks have never paid a penny on personal income tax. In addition, the weight of the public sector in the economy is overwhelming. There are about one million officials to four million active people.
    Greek public railways: The average salary of employees exceeds €66.000.- per year. And this includes toilet cleaners and other non-skilled workers.
    The (almost free) Athens Metro issues about 90 million tickets a year, while the total cost of this public company needs ticket sales of more than 500 million to break even.
    French retirees receive, on average, 51% of the last salary, the Germans 40%,
    North Americans and Japanese 34%.
    Meanwhile, Greek pensioners receive 96% of their salary – and much earlier!
    Greece has four times more teachers than Finland, (the best situated country in the last PISA report), while the student performance in Greece is the lowest among any European country by comparison.
    AS AN APPARENT SHOW OF GOODWILL TO THE EU, THE GREEK GOVERNMENT UNDER PRESSURE, ELIMINATED 10,000 POSITIONS IN THEIR POSTAL SERVICE, OF WHICH 8,200 WERE FOUND TO BE FALSE IDENTITIES.!!
    This is extortion on a grand scale – how many more years will this be allowed?
    Little wonder the French, Germans and Austrians are not happy about letting this situation continue – mainly at their expense.

    What about the UK when they get told the truth?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jane Davies says:

      Or we could turn it around and ask, what will we be saying about the UK’s trillions of dept when the public find out where all the money went!!

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