I’ve been in the lions’ den. And it’s Green!

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Green MEP Molly Scott Cato

This morning I was scheduled to attend a breakfast debate on “Controlling Carbon: COP21 and beyond”.  I had failed to do my homework, and I discovered on arrival that it was a Green Party benefit show, sponsored by Molly Scott Cato, Green MEP for the South East.  But I decided to stay anyway, and see what they were saying.

Molly spoke second, and shared the news that for thirty years she had personally been scared to death by the threat of global warming.  She introduced Victor Anderson, visiting Professor at the Global Sustainability Institute, Anglia Ruskin University.  He it was who had written the report, “Controlling Carbon”, which the breakfast was designed to launch and celebrate.  There were a couple of other speakers in the same vein, together with a well-known climate alarmist and Dutch MEP Bas Eickhout, who spoke prominently from the floor.

Despite heroic attempts at restraint, I finally gave in to my urge to contribute my tuppenceworth.  As near as I can remember, it went like this:

Madame Chairman (they hate that nomenclature) Thank you very much for organising this very interesting breakfast briefing.  There has been some discussion of “climate refugees”.  Your first speaker Heidi mentioned President Obama’s warning of climate migrations – though she admitted that there had been none so far.  Madame Chairman, I am astonished that when Europe is facing a crisis caused by millions of real refugees from a war-zone, plus economic migrants, we at this event are worrying ourselves about the speculative possibility of “climate refugees”, whom no one has ever seen.

You yourself, Madame Chairman, tell us that you’ve been terrified of climate change for thirty years.  But do you not accept that for nearly the last two decades there has been no global warming at all?  I often speak in schools to what we used to call “Sixth Forms”, and after all the propaganda they are astonished to hear that there’s been no further warming in their lifetimes.

You mentioned human rights and the impact of climate change on the world’s poor.  But it’s not climate change that is damaging the world’s poor.  It’s our perverse climate policies, which seek to deny them the benefits of plentiful and affordable energy.

 Then we come to the good Professor.  He admits that the EU’s ETS is not working and not delivering – but says we must nonetheless keep it as an icon, one of the very few examples of a climate policy which has stuck – even if it hasn’t worked.  And the one thing he utterly failed to mention was the vast economic damage which your green policies are doing.  You call it “carbon leakage”.  Former Trade Commissioner Antonio Tajani called it “an industrial massacre”.

The ETS was designed to send price signals to the market, and indeed it did send a signal to energy-intensive businesses – and the signal said “GO TO CHINA”.  We are driving energy-intensive business out of the EU altogether, to jurisdictions with lower environmental standards.

You are driving a policy which undermines European competitiveness, costs jobs, closes plants, drives investment overseas, and arguably increases carbon emissions.  All I can say is “May God forgive you”, because those unemployed steelworkers in Redcar certainly won’t.

I was greeted with a stunned but courteous silence.

A codicil: later in the debate, Bas Eickhout was discussing timescales, and suggesting it would take many decades of aggressive climate policy to get to the penetration of renewables which he felt we needed.

I replied: You don’t need decades of draconian climate policies.  All you need to do is to deliver on the promises of the renewables industry: that they can deliver grid parity.  If you can deliver solar power that is price-competitive with coal, the market will do the rest.  No need for targets and subsidies and emissions trading schemes.

But this was a bridge too far.  The Greens don’t understand markets, and would no doubt find them morally reprehensible if they did.

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42 Responses to I’ve been in the lions’ den. And it’s Green!

  1. I wish I’d been there too.

  2. catalanbrian says:

    As you said, “tuppenceworth” for it is not worth more than that.

    • Brin Jenkins says:

      Why? Can you show us any error in our understanding?

      Are you able to explain the mechanism so we might debate it and reach our own understanding?

      There has been no evidence of warming for close to 20 years now, other than in computer modelling. Garbage in, garbage out still is the maxim.

    • catweazle666 says:

      Tuppence is worth infinitely more than the total of your prolix, ill-informed contributions to the debate.

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      You’ll need to understand what the term, “tuppenceworth” really means.

      “That’s just my tuppenceworth; you can believe what you like”. See how open that statement is? Not shut down from your dumb head!

    • Julian Farmer says:

      William Anchor by chance? I studied archaeolcimatology under a leading scientist- a real one and a famous TV personality. There is no climate change unless you regard the Sun- a bloke in the sky called Sol as a Climate denier. I have also travelled the poles.-north and south. The ice measurement cores we took to study past climates over 130,000 years shewed clearly that “AGW is nonsense. Our ship was marroned by ice too.
      So are you telling me who has been there I am wrong? If you do you inhabit Lala Land.

  3. borderside says:

    Save your breath , Roger . They will never change , being paid up members of the flat earth society .

    Jim Hutchinson .

  4. omanuel says:

    Thank you, Roger, for your effort to educate those who know too much to learn anything.

  5. Ian Terry says:

    Well said Roger but in reality its a bit like:

    Standing up the sharp end and getting your own back.

    They are too into the religion of trying to save the world. They have yet to learn never mind understand “is it a a solution or is it the problem”,

    The majority especially those who are earning the megabucks have their head where the sun ain’t shing so bad they are licking their tonsils.

    • Roger Helmer MEP says:

      Climate Change is a perfect example of Margaret Thatcher’s dictum, that if you create a bureaucracy to solve a problem, the problem will be always with you.

  6. Jane Davies says:

    I think you should ‘accidentally’ attend more of these meetings Roger….not just for the breakfast but to enlighten these people as to the folly of their ways….you never know a little germ could multiply in some minds and that elusive light bulb could well flicker on and spread a blinding light!

    • Roger Helmer MEP says:

      Thanks Jane. I fact I attend as many as I can — first, because I think it’s a small but worthwhile part of my job to offer these folk a brief glimpse of reality — and second, because I enjoy it!

  7. Are these wallies even aware that the rest of the world outside US and EU don’t buy the scam for a minute?

    Roger, please take a look at some of the Climate Plans submitted for Paris:-

    For instance, India’s allows for a tripling of CO2 by 2030, Russia’s will make no cuts at all, Japan’s offers a modest 10% off 1990 levels (mainly on the back of resumed nuclear) and S Korea (7th biggest emitter in the world) generously offers to take them back to 2006 levels (all so vaguely defined that they can wriggle out whenever they want)

    The analysis is here.
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/south-koreas-climate-plan-a-joke/

    We in the west are walking towards our doom just as surely as Rome did

    • Your last sentence is something I have been fearing for some time. The inrush of the barbarians even…

    • Roger Helmer MEP says:

      All you need to know about COP21 is that they gave up on imposing binding targets, knowing that no-one would accept, and opted for inviting participants to suggest what they might offer. It’s a bit as if HMRC had invited tax-payers to volunteer how much tax they’d like to pay.

  8. I listened very carefully to the BBC News over the past couple of days. Allow me to enlighten you. It is all the fault of the dastardly Chinese that Redcar and the rest of the British Steel Industry has to close down. I am very surprised that you did not know that!
    How many million Euros did that cost the EU in bribes to the Corporation I wonder ?

    • Flyinthesky says:

      My old favourite: “Compete, protect or perish.”
      All this, much vaunted, free trade is not a zero sum game.
      In a lot of cases it’s a corporate inspired race to the bottom. They don’t care where anything is made just how much it is and what margin can be made on it.

      • Roger Helmer MEP says:

        But “protect” is never more than a short-term palliative. Protectionism is like drugs. First dose: euphoria. Then you need more and more for the same hit. Then you die.

    • MartinW says:

      And when an MP attempted at this week’s PMQs to point out that green tariffs on energy is a contributing factor in the Redcar closure, Bercow shut him down instantly and told him it was nothing to do with government policy!

    • Roger Helmer MEP says:

      Thanks Mike. I’d say there were four key problems for the steel industry: energy prices, business rates, Chinese dumping, and the value of Sterling. The government could have acted on the first two, and could have sought action on the third. It seems they didn’t do any of these things.

  9. Ex-expat Colin says:

    “scared to death”…that extreme stuff again. Interesting (NOT) how so many silly people including Uni twerps get to rise.

    Fairly close to me, near the Severn railway line, is a main line track from Brum going south. That carries long heavy freight trains daily…steel. Suddenly a bit quiet? Or I have gotten too used to it. Need to listen out over the next few days.

    Your two penneth is of far more value than the mega bucks being flung about recklessly by the likes of the UK/EU/USA and shortly Canada. I feel sorry for Russia having been squeezed out of such giving..sort of? Public spending head banging review coming up and of course Overseas Aid and EU wastage are not on the agenda. Looking for magic money tree growth.

    I’ll go with Trump on China, as extreme as that may sound, but at least he airs distinct problems. Uses the term “common sense” which is certainly in very short supply anywhere in this region.

    Am extremely pleased to see the COP states experiencing great difficulties, but somebody has to fill the expense claims in…. no matter what.

  10. lasancmt says:

    Hey Roger, how did they like ukip’s theory that we need more CO2 because it’s a great fertiliser?
    Isn’t this what your mate Stuart Agnew likes to interject?

  11. Flyinthesky says:

    What Fen’ said, the looks on some of the faces, priceless.
    I would have thought that with your experience Roger you would have realised by now that common sense has no place in global politics. It must be great fun, if it wasn’t so serious, to try and illustrate some.

    • Roger Helmer MEP says:

      Interesting, Fly. It’s because global politics has lost sight of common sense that it’s so important, and so much fun, to be in a party where policy is indeed based on common sense.

  12. Katie says:

    This was sent to me today by a friend and is well worth watching. Only just over 4mins but great stuff and easy for even our politicians to understand???? Maybe!!

    • Jane Davies says:

      That puts the facts in a nutshell.
      Sharing this link…thanks Katie.

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      That vid is neat and on their site I heard a piece of Ronald Reagan which naturally links to Mrs Thatcher. The term “common sense” mentioned. Show in schools if you would like to loose your job as a teacher. Ain’t gonna work is it?

      And in looney/lefty London this is what they come up with: (KEEP FITS..h/t Guido)

      And it is truly crap:

  13. Richard111 says:

    Been watching climate effects on migrants in Europe. They seem to be burning any available scrap wood and then holding out their hands to the fire. Do you think they feel cold? It must be much warmer where they came from. I wonder how the many thousands will enjoy living under canvas when the temperature drops below freezing.

  14. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Anybody care to guess where the invaders will go from RAF Akrotiri? I am somewhere between Berlin and London…..has to be London I think? How long? Give it a month while a few long working lunches are scheduled and consumed. Hard work, but somebody has to do it in that “oh so tireless, we are working on it, and on holiday you know” kind of way.

  15. Katie says:

    Exactly right Colin.. they are never going to stay in Germany with the problem of the language all the time many of them speak a little English. Yes, wait for the influx while Dave is still sipping his champagne with the Chinese president or the likes of Merkel.

  16. Brin Jenkins says:

    I don’t care that they don’t speak English. I do care greatly that they are being admitted instead of returned. I also care that this can not be accidental, but orchestrated by our leaders who see themselves as under no obligation to the public who they are elected to serve.

    There may well be a price to be paid for treason.

    • Jane Davies says:

      That lot who set fire to the tents need sending back, that’s for sure.
      Yes Brin, there should be a price to pay for treason….but didn’t Tony Blair abolish the treason laws? Very convenient, but then he was thinking ahead as he knew this invasion was coming, it is all part of the bigger plan. Why is Blair still walking free? He planned the illegal war a year ahead, with Bush, which was also part of a US plan and nothing to do with the twin towers attack. And he has lied his head off for decades so as to follow his own agenda part of which is the dilution of the indigenous people of Britain. He should be arrested not feted around the world.

  17. Brin Jenkins says:

    Treason still stands under Common Law. No politician has the authority to change it, its the Judges who know Common Law is superior to Statute Law, and they ignore it.

  18. Ex-expat Colin says:

    I’m trying to understand what Alan Johnson was saying on BBC QT this week, having put his hand up (traffic cop style) to Farage talking about Germany building coal power stations and the state aid business for UK steel. He shut down the argument..physically! There are ways to acquire state aid Johnson said, quoting Redcar getting CCS money. Not exactly essential to employment life and UK heavy industry survival is it?

    Germany had suddenly realised that baseline power is not receivable from their own and foreign Wind/Solar. How surprising is that? Merkel had slammed the door on Nuke operations because they were old etc and Japan had screwed up tectonically. Its something about these conditions that has allowed Germany (via EU) to build many coal units. Farage listed those of ours that are condemned/closed along with Aluminium, Refining etc. to no avail really.

    Without a doubt Germany has control…it is indeed a fourth realm.

    Need to watch QT again I think.

    • Katie says:

      Yes, saw QT with Farage and thought he and Germaine Greer were the only ones talking any sense particularly on energy and employment. Apparently Farage stayed on after the programme to talk to the audience. Let’s hope that without the likes of Johnson and the Tory guy he managed to get some frightening facts over. He is prevented from telling everyone the real truth so often. It is only through reading blogs such as this and John Redwood MP’s blog that I have learned so much about the going’s on in the EU and it is very interesting. There are numerous problems in Germany with the immigrants coming in. Apparently they won’t deal with women as they are unclean. Men come first and women have to go to the back of the queue. Do we really want this kind of society and how long before those that rule us tell us we have to comply for fear of upsetting them!! Oh yes, I can see trouble on the horizon and I am glad I am 60 now and won’t be around to see the real carnage.

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        I was surprised at Greer Katie. Think I may have agreed with almost all she said. Did I change or her..dunno? Maybe I never listened properly.

        The treatment of woman based on related natural process and covering them up has deep foundations in ignorance. Dressed in black at temps of >35 deg C. I barely recognise their males as being men. And I worry that too many males are running from a fight to hold their country. Never mind their way of life. Don’t think they will be much use in this region if push comes to shove, but we are being made to “embrace” them? After all they are humans…yes..who don’t do much for themselves!

        How come Federica Mogherini isn’t launching off at the gob and on distant travel junkets (posing) to help. I think she’s female? They’ll talk way above the heads of the people about their dumb project, not the matters of significance that people face daily and that might forewarn those who wish to “settle” in this region

        Germany paid the Turkish (and others) Gastarbeiters (workers) to leave I think in the 60’s? A person returning home received 10,500 Deutsche Mark and an additional 1,500 Deutsche Mark for his spouse and also 1,500 Deutsche Mark for each of his children if they returned to the country of his origin. Complicated stuff I didn’t know here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter

        Seems they’re paying big time to get them back along with an awful lot more. I’d call that asking for trouble…also big time. Very big time.

        You saw Redwoods piece today on his EVEL speech. Most of this stuff is becoming intolerable

  19. Katie says:

    Sent to me by a friend. The situation in Germany certainly isn’t what you could call great.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6753/germany-migrants-demands

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      I read it…I’m waiting for it !!

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      I just put this on Redwoods site and it is exactly what I observed with my son 4 weeks back in London….see if he publishes:

      In S. London I/we know the rents match what the council will cough up. Just get a few kids with a couple of women (mother/daughter), no husband and the rents are matched. No doubt the husband (ex?) has another gathering somewhere else? Then the cars turn up at the weekend for a kiddy visit. Look at the cr*p cars and wonder where the £1.1k pm rent for a 2 bedroom tiny flat comes from? Cleaners etc don’t make that kind of cash.

      Across the road is a large council funded block of flats for women and children with quite high churn. Hence mattresses and garbage regularly all over the street. There are times when I feel I’m in the back end of Jeddah again!

      They have human rights alright that impact directly on the taxpayers human rights. Thats the tax payer type that don’t continually take the p*ss.

      Our former commonwealth friends are moving out, largely because a lot of wrong young men are hanging about. Thats right, there are no jobs as Farage said!

      Its becoming very intolerable !!

      Note:
      The last para relates to a Sikh work colleague of my son. The Sikh guy is worried about his young children and is doing more work from home whenever he can. And this has happened in Newcastle…I think? Daily Mail yesterday.

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