Islam is a religion of peace

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Islam is a religion of peace.  ISIL Terrorists are “a minority of a minority”.  They have perverted a religion of peace and love in an attempt to justify their macabre Mediæval death cult.  Or so we are told by our leaders, as they seek to sow the seeds of social cohesion in seemingly bare and barren soil.

Of course we know that the Koran preaches death in unequivocal terms for non-believers, and seems to justify all sorts of barbarity. One quote to catch the flavour: Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”.  But then again, there are blood-curdling verses in the Bible – certainly in the Old Testament – which few Christians or Jews would seek to justify today.  We understand that these are not the words of modern, civilised people, but of ancient tribal societies who lived in very different circumstances, and by very different standards.

I have sometimes made the same point with regard to the IRA.  Yes, the IRA were evil terrorists – but we would hardly condemn all Catholics because the IRA claimed to come from Catholic roots.  Following the Paris atrocities, the Muslim Council of Great Britain deserves credit for publishing full-page ads to reassure the British public that the attacks “do not reflect the Islamic faith”.

But perhaps we need to test the proposition that ISIL’s attitudes represent “a minority of a minority” amongst Muslims, and in this context I was interested (and not a little alarmed) to find a web-site called “Wiser Monkeys“, which pulls together published research from reputable polling organisations, and shines a light on attitudes in Muslim society more generally in Britain. It does not make comfortable reading.

In a 2015 poll for Survation, 39% of Muslims think the police and MI5 contribute to the radicalisation of young Muslims. 28% sympathise with young Muslims who leave the UK to fight in Syria. And a massive 40% do not think that Muslims have any obligation to condemn acts of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam.

Fewer than half of all Muslims agree that the Holocaust happened (NOP 2006) while nearly half (46%) believe that 9/11 was a US/Jewish conspiracy, and 35% “don’t know”, leaving only one in five who recognise the reality.  And indeed, almost unbelievably, there are already voices claiming that the recent Paris attacks were “staged” by the French authorities to present Muslims in a bad light. Sickening. 

35% of young Muslims (25% overall) believe that suicide bombings are justified (Pew 2006). 16% believe that suicide attacks against Israelis are justified, while an alarming 37% see Jews in Britain as “legitimate targets” (Populus 2006).  The Federation of Student Islamic Societies, 2005, finds that 18% of Muslim students would not inform the police that a fellow Muslim is planning a terror attack.  45% agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent “mainstream Islam” (ComRes 2015).

There are many more statistics telling the same story.  It’s probably true that terrorists are indeed a tiny minority.  But in their own social context there are alarming numbers who broadly sympathise with them, and tend to justify and legitimise their activities.  The research suggests that large sections of Muslim opinion in this country give comfort to terrorism and radicalisation.

It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists – though it is also true that all ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists claim to be Muslim.  And it is alarming to see the extent of sympathy for their attitudes in the wider Muslim society.

It would be interesting (but difficult) to carry out similar research amongst the hundreds of thousands of Muslim migrants currently arriving in Europe, but it seems unlikely that they would be any less sympathetic to Islamic Terrorism.  A curious case of cognitive dissonance: they want to come to Europe and Britain as a safe haven from their war-torn homelands, and for the prosperity and employment they expect to find here – yet many regard the UK as “The Little Satan“, and sympathise with those who wish to undermine the basis of our free society.

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65 Responses to Islam is a religion of peace

  1. Eric Worrall says:

    Roger, there are many flavours of Islam. In Istanbul, my friends call President Erdogan and his followers “scarfies”, a term of contempt for primitive superstitious fundamentalists. Muslims in Istanbul recently rioted, over Erdogan’s efforts to crack down on drinking alcohol, and his attempt to build a Mosque on their local park.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests

    My Algerian friend once told me a funny story, how Algeria turned the hunt for terrorist insurgents during curfew into a reality TV show, one memorable episode they found someone hiding, the guy started screaming “please, I’m not a terrorist, I’m just a thief!”

    I am deeply opposed to the soft Western response to Islamic terror. I believe the appropriate response to Paris is to strike ISIS strongholds with nuclear weapons, show fundamentalists the true meaning of terror, give them a chance to appreciate their weakness, before we have to kill them all.

    I think the West is crazy to take in fundamentalist barbarians from Syria – we should follow the example of the gulf states, and kick them out.

    But at the same time, it would be an awful mistake to think every Muslim is like Paris murderers. There are normal Muslims, people who are my friends, who have a drink, eat Pork, think fundamentalists are disgusting barbarians. There are many, many Muslims who hate Fundamentalists as much as we do. But many of these people, they’re not fleeing their country, because they don’t have to. Britain, with its open door to “refugees”, takes in a disproportionate percentage of the world’s trash.

    People are not defined by religion, they are defined by culture. There are Christians whom I wouldn’t want as neighbours. Not because they are Christians – but because they are bloodthirsty barbarians, every bit as awful as some of the Muslims currently pouring into Europe. http://www.vice.com/read/witch-hunting-is-a-growing-concern-in-papua-new-guinea-686

    • Blimey Eric. That’s a bit extreme. Can’t you just shoot them like everyone else?

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      I recognise some of what you say Eric. And thats from the Oman and S. Arabia for over 10 years. My experience is of some state ministers, military and civil administration. The Oman was most interesting (pleasant) and showed distinct/sharp standards and ways of living. Very interesting history.

      What I did notice however, was the awkwardness of many of the up and coming youth(Shebab) heading to the ranks mentioned above. Most had been educated in the USA and some in UK. I immediately recognised those from a UK education (1970’s), but the USA I think educated/influenced these boys badly. It would quickly conflict with their elders…and the likes of me. .

      In S. Arabia I could not enter a mosque and largely avoided the throngs on Fridays. In the Oman I was openly welcome everywhere. I am white English.

      The problems we encounter now are a people problem from the different country cultures. Some are medieval and I think its males in such places that want to keep it that way. Ensuring adequate education is absent is one sure way to do that and learning the Koran by rote is a preferred tool to use. Simply telling a young man off could often get him reciting stuff that I found a bit worrying. Or in S. Arabia it would be our/my fault for anything, and thats because if me/others weren’t there it could not have happened.

      A big part of the problems in UK (and elsewhere) is said to be a black problem. I think its a white problem largely that kicked off after WW2. Weak, empty headed liberalism that cannot see a serious risk coming their/our way. What we see from time to time is resultant knee jerk responses and its wicked in that ordinary people of various cultures are to die, be maimed because of it.

      It’s telling that the warriors have to cover their faces. Usually applied to females…but them? The black uniform is cr*p in the sun.

      • Eric Worrall says:

        Yes, there is enormous variation in Muslim’s relationships with Allah.

        I think the refugee issue is skewing Roger’s poll results, based on what I have seen. If you open your doors to the world, which country is more likely to respond to your offer? A modern country with a reasonably robust economy and decent laws, or a stinking barbaric cesspit where life is so awful people have nothing to lose by giving themselves into the hands of the people smugglers?

        Sadly they bring their barbarism with them, in most cases.

    • catweazle666 says:

      “There are normal Muslims, people who are my friends, who have a drink, eat Pork, think fundamentalists are disgusting barbarians.

      Actually Eric, technically those are actually “bad” Muslims, not normal at all.

      The “good” Muslims are the ones carrying out terrorist attacks, beheading unbelievers, carrying out FGM and honour killings because they are participating in the struggle between dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb, the House of Submission and the House of War, which is an absolute duty for all Muslims.

      It is Taqiyya when a Muslim claims Islam is a religion of peace, Islam means submission, the peace will come when all of the World has submitted to the will of Allah, and every true Muslim has a duty to work towards that day, by any and every means.

      Don’t forget, the penalty for apostasy is death.

  2. lasancmt says:

    One of your more shamefull pieces Roger, whatever you put in the body to add shades of grey and context this is the cheap ukip propaganda we have come to expect from ukip and why young people find ukip kind of creepy.

    more ….https://identityspace.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/1056/

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      “and why young people find ukip kind of creepy”

      And the young people “we” refer to are?
      And who exactly is “we” ?

    • This article is entirely based on research from reputable and well-known polling organisations (plus the Federation of Islamic Students). These are facts, not propaganda. You may be in denial, but the rest of us need to know these things.

      • lasancmt says:

        Roger, the moment you start quoting from a web site called ‘The wiser Monkey’ you lost all credibility.

      • catweazle666 says:

        “Roger, the moment you start quoting from a web site called ‘The wiser Monkey’ you lost all credibility.”

        Whereas your every post demonstrates that you have no credibility to lose.

        Ever hear the old adage about not judging a book by its cover?

        Obviously not.

    • davidbuckingham says:

      What planet are you on? One without any intelligent form of life for sure. For whose benefit are you writing? Facts are facts, not propoganda. Are you saying Wiser Monkeys is part of UKIP? Where’s your evidence? Where’s your research to counter theirs? You’re not worth the time of day but I had to say something.

      • Roger Helmer MEP says:

        It’s not about the name of the web-site. It’s research by recognised and reputable polling companies. And it’s a fair bet that pro-terrorist viewpoints would be under-reported, for obvious reasons.

    • ian wragg says:

      You obviously haven’t spent 20 plus years working in the Middle East and Africa. Islam is not a religion but a political philosophy written by a warlord who beheaded prisoners of war.
      As the KLM stewardess said, ..we will be shortly landing at….please retard your watches 600n years.
      It is people like you with no sense who are creepy and no doubt vote for the Corbynistas of this world.

    • catweazle666 says:

      “One of your more shamefull pieces Roger”

      Wrong.

    • Reza Aslan didn’t really make your case for you did he…. Or do you think he did?

      • lasancmt says:

        He made the case that the media and political establishment in tragic cases like this likes to jump to conclusions and popular bandwagons. How everyone gets tarred with the same brush, even though empirically they haven’t got a leg to stand on. In behaving the way Roger and some commenters do they are actually responding in exactly the way these deash terrorists want them to do. By using inflammatory images and rethoric Roger has become an ISIS foot soldier. Thank god there are a few on this forum that agree with me.

      • catweazle666 says:

        lasancmt doesn’t do thinking, Fen.

        He just does making stuff up.

    • dave/r says:

      if you are so sure of yourself listen to this muslim lady tell it as it is

      http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/islam-the-facts/

    • No lasancmt Aslan didn’t make that case. He very much didn’t make that case. His arguments were stretched thin and not correct, (all things considered). Starting with “FGM is an African problem, not a muslim problem”……(It is actually a muslim problem) here’s a good overview….
      http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem

      …. He continues to make points that, although containing an element of truth (like the African claim) are not a fair appraisal of the issue.

      …All good enough for you though lasancmt, (apparently).

      • lasancmt says:

        So you found a report accusing two more Middle Eastern countries where they have this problem. The same report says it’s not practised in Saudi Arabia and confirms its nothing to do with Muslim religion. Otherwise the report would have mentioned Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh the most populous Muslim countries. You proved Aslan’s point.

    • lasancmt: The only thing here which is shameful here is the attitudes revealed in a long list of opinion studies. There is nothing shameful in reporting those studies, and highlighting the worrying level of support, or at least acquiescence, among the broader Muslim population. You speak in terms of “rant” and “propaganda”, but I have written a moderate and reasonable fact-based analysis. You characterise it as rant and propaganda not because it is, but simply because you can’t face the facts.

      • lasancmt says:

        Roger the shameful thing here is your attitude thinking it’s OK to exploit the Paris tragety for your own political ends. You won’t understand this, but others will know exactly what I mean. By the way thank you for being my muse today in publishing my very own blog post about your ukip bigotry. It’s entitled ukip are the real ISIS foot soldiers. Enjoy!

        https://identityspace.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/ukip-are-the-real-isis-foot-soldiers/

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        About musing on some far distant website:
        “Some loud mouth English ex-pat that thinks having lived in an ex-pat compound in Saudi-Arabia drinking home brew makes him an expert on Islam”.

        Get the facts right or better, get evidence. It was western/eastern embassies and villas of the host country. Skilful brewers were always abundant, but you wouldn’t know any of that.

        I thought you might be troublesome. Your son’s appearance on an american news piece was extraordinarily foolish and as for his information on the subject, extremely shallow. See how I did that without being insulting?

    • Your summery of the report I linked to on FGM was not a summery of what the report said lasancmt. Why would you do that?

      • lasancmt says:

        Like you I pick up from the report evidence that supports my view. It’s called ‘selective perception’ Kippers are even better at it. Hence Roger Helmer dredging tawdry web sites like ‘wise monkey’ ‘busted’ and other tawdry sources of information. If all that fails, there is always the Daily Express or Breitbart 😂

  3. leosco says:

    Lasancmt: Unless you have lived and worked among Muslims in the UK you are not qualified to offer any critique of Roger report, the fact that you associate the publication of surveyed Muslims regarding their views on terrorism and the virtues or vices of wahabist extremism to be one of the primary aims of UKip.
    I worked for many years in the taxi trade, part of my job as association secretary was to assist new drivers to the trade many of whom were Muslims, I often engaged these newcomers in conversation about their beliefs as religious faiths has always been an interest of mine, as a result of these verbal intercourses I have been able to identify a prevailing factor these underlines all discourse between Muslims and Non Muslims, that is the Q’uranic principle of Taqiyya which is commonly used by Muslims to lie to and deceive Non Muslims so as to gain advantage for a Muslim over the Non Muslim in any transaction or to benefit Islam. Another basic principle of Islam is that Non Muslims are not considered human beings,
    The Q’uranic script dictates that in Muslim lands Non Muslims are only allowed to reside their by paying an Arabic version of “Danesgeld” and accept second class rights of residency or suffer death, there is one other option which is too convert to Islam under duress.

  4. Islam means submission…..Only a politician would try to suggest it means something else. The followers of muhammed are not following a pacifist. Muhammed is not just a prophet, he’s the one true prophet….His life story is the example for his followers. There is a big difference between the old testament of the bible and the koran. The violence in the old testament was presented as matter of fact history….Not as an instruction for religious behavior as it is in the Koran. It is not helpful to claim they are the same.

  5. lasancmt says:

    If you are interested in a thorough debunking of Roger’s article or just feel dirty havng accidentally stumbled on it and read it, Reza Aslan Challenges Roger’s ukip Rhetoric on Islam and Violence much better than I ever could. Just indulge me and listen to the whole interview. Then reflect on what Roger want’s you to accept as the truth…

    http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/reza-aslan-challenges-the-corporate-media-rhetoric-that-islam-is-violent/

    • catweazle666 says:

      Go look up the meaning of Taqiyya, you deluded little apologist for barbarity.

      The West has been at war with Islam since the Muslims first attacked across the straits of Gibraltar in AD711.

      The barbaric seventh century cult of Islam is utterly incompatible with twenty-first century socially liberal democratic civilisation, there is no country on Earth where there are Muslims that does not suffer from their violence.

      • lasancmt says:

        It’s funny how in ukip company, if you object to tarring a billion peaceful Muslims (like those in Indonesia) with the same brush, you all the sudden become ‘an apologist’ for terrorists. I guess it goes hand in hand with the mentality that anything decided in Brussels must be bad. Dogmatic thinking never did anyone any favours.

      • catweazle666 says:

        “Dogmatic thinking never did anyone any favours.”

        Yes, you are a World leading expert on dogmatic thinking…

        Go patronise people somewhere else, you sad, arrogant little man.

    • dave/r says:

      if you want the truth listen to this lady and wake up

      http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/islam-the-facts/

    • David Allen says:

      One wonders how you ‘debunk’ factual reporting though usually it is simply through the dual techniques of avoiding anything that doesn’t agree withe the view you have already made your own and constant repetition of opinion dressed as fact. Add to this a little spreading of ill understood and largely ineffective terms such as islamophobe or racist and you have pretty much the apologist’s toolkit. One doesn’t need corporate media or some sanitised version of Islam as much of the core doctrine is readily available to read for oneself. Also, of course we see the actions play out, not just in acts of atrocity now, though Mohammed made a fortune from equal barbarity 1400 years ago, but modern day expressions of hatred and incitement to violence by Muslim demonstrations and public declarations time and time again. If that doesn’t do the trick then how about some words from a leader of the Shiite world, Khomeni:

      “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

      Then again perhaps you think he’s wrong also but at least you weren’t in spitting distance?

  6. omanuel says:

    Thank you for this posting. I agree with you.

  7. catalanbrian says:

    That is a disgraceful piece of xenophobic bile and you should be ashamed of yourself for publishing it.

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      As a term “piece of xenophobic bile” has no properties in meaning. As such what is there to be in shame of?

      Your usual bollox though!

    • Jane Davies says:

      It’s called free speech, why is it when this subject is addressed so many people spring into action in condemning the speaker yet when that speaker is Muslim and is preaching hate in the very country that has given him refuge there is silence? This is Roger’s blog and he is entitled to write on whatever subject he sees fit. Not one of us is forced to read it.

    • ian wragg says:

      I thought the propaganda arm of the EU was in remission. Silly me.

    • catweazle666 says:

      Drivel.

    • Brian — are you referring to my blog post, or to a subsequent comment? If the former, it is absolutely neither xenophobic nor bile. Plain facts, expressed in measured and balanced terms.

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  9. Andrew says:

    One of the main problems with muslims in the UK is that they make little or no attempt to integrate with mainstream society, thus fostering an atmosphere of mistrust.

    • Jane Davies says:

      I have wondered why this is the case as here in Canada we don’t seem to have that problem, there are no such thing as no go areas as in the UK. It was bad enough before I came to Canada in 2006 but I believe it’s worse now.

      • ian wragg says:

        Jane, the police and stupid politicians of all parties (except UKIP) are frightened to death of offending Islam. That’s why you have idiots like May saying the terrorist attacks are nothing to do with religion.
        Anyone who has read the Koran will see that these terrorists are just following the teachings of Mohammed and most so called moderate Muslims secretly agree with them.
        When push becomes shove, religion trumps the state.

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        Its all over Europe Jane and thats what has wound Gert Wilders up further. Holland was a pleasant place but dangerously liberal I always thought…having lived there. The IRA had a go in a town I lived in …Roermond.

        Syrians(?) heading your way through Honduras yesterday. And likely before.

  10. Brin Jenkins says:

    If folk were to peruse the Koran all doubt would go. Islam is incompatible.

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      If you refer to the English translation…its corrupt (those scholars!). You have to read the Arabic version for truth. Arabic…the really useful language?

      What is very annoying is the casual manner that migrants (many UK residents) use their mother tongue in public, to which the Afro woman got really p*ssed off with on a London bus recently. I have had to stop that in an air traffic area and that was hindi. Some years ago, and I think the white problem we have now would have finished me off?

      Its the creeping liberal cr*p from years ago. If I was young now I would be worried because liberalism defines nothing that can be reliably depended on! Its lazy and extremely loathsome.

  11. Jane Davies says:

    France is upping the anti by bombing ISIS and this is just the reaction they want…..this article is by a former hostage of ISIS and it’s worth reading.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/16/isis-bombs-hostage-syria-islamic-state-paris-attacks

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      Appears Russia is doing what I expected (+ President (in-waiting) Trump said) should have been done by the multiple lunch takers in the West a good while back. Destroy the oil fields that they feed off, and for me deal with the buyers/lenders/financiers.

      BBC R4 had someone on about deep pocket lenders this morning..deep pocket? I think we know of them and some live in big houses here and the US. Too many lunches to go through before anything gets done though!

      Appears more CO2 and noxious stuff is to be added to the atmosphere with Cameron and his own plane. You know it makes sense?

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  13. Albion says:

    Every Muslim must believe and follow every word of the Qu’ran, including the instruction that Muslim men have the right to rape non-Muslim women and children as slaves, and that four Muslim men need to corroborate a woman’s accusation of rape, and, if that doesn’t happen, the woman is stoned to death as an adulteress.

    For me, the question is: Why would any one with an ounce of compassion and the capacity for critical thought ever want to become or remain a Muslim?

  14. So “PEACE” is yet another word which has become so maltreated/badly used, that it has entered ‘the Lexicon of words now often meaning the OPPOSITE of the ‘accepted Standard English’ definition, as defined in most dictionaries!
    Salaam Aleikum – “Peace be with you” – depending upon who is addressed, possibly meaning ‘The Devil Take your Heart and Eat it!’ or some such!

  15. John says:

    Well done Roger ; at last someone who has quoted from the Koran (Quran) . Google Quotes from the Koran and you will see the terrible things it says to do and in particular it’s attitude to women . Violent or non violent their aim is a worldwide Caliphate

  16. Jane Davies says:

    Is anyone going to read this, and is anyone listening?
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8860.htm

  17. Richard111 says:

    Oh, well, if you cannot see what is coming you are in for a big surprise.
    The enemy is living with us and walking the streets with us. They politely
    obey the command “Move along there please.” and observe the layout.
    A quick call or text on the handy mobile passes information to ensure
    the position chosen is clear and “BANG!” another 20 or so innocents dead.

  18. Thank you Roger, for this honest article and for reporting some of the disturbing data we summarized on our website. As you say, this data was produced by reputable polling organizations – sources are provided – yet it is amazing from some of the above comments just how deep the denial of apologists runs. Our Western civilization is indeed in awful trouble if the fear of being called “racist” or “Islamophobic” is greater than the fear of accepting the unpleasant truth that a small, but significant, fraction of Muslims want to overthrow our democracy and laws and convert us to Islam on pain of death.

    For those who still keep their minds open, please have a look at the worldwide opinion polls, summarized at:
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Polls.htm
    Also, how anyone can view the video below and still cling to the myth of the “tiny minority of extremists” is beyond us:

    Also, for the record, Wiser Monkeys has no affiliation to any political party, including UKIP.

  19. Richard111 says:

    Roger, How about an essay on Sharia Law and the conflict, if any, with Human Rights.

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