Daily Debrief April 15th

Vote Brexit to save the NHS!

This is the very clear, credible and cogent slogan with which Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are kicking off their Leave campaign.  It’s a simple proposition: instead of sending £10 billion a year to Brussels, let’s use it to rescue the NHS.  In terms of simple, punchy and believable messaging, it would be hard to do better.  Perhaps worth mentioning also that UKIP’s Health Spokesman Louise Bours MEP has been making this same point for some time.

Remain campaign: Let’s talk about the economy

The Remain Campaign, meantime, wants to talk about the economic consequences of Brexit.  Great.  Very apt and timely.  One of the UK’s leading economists Professor Patrick  Minford has just up-dated his estimate of the total cost of our EU membership.  Not just net budget contributions, but regulatory costs, the Common External Tariff, misallocation of resources and so on.  And he puts the figure at 13% of GDP.  That amounts to over £9000 per household – an eye-watering figure, and a massive drag on growth and prosperity.

But of course Brexit is not just about the benefits for today and tomorrow.  In the longer term, a British economy freed from the deadweight of unnecessary EU red-tape, and able to look outward to the rest of the world where the growth and opportunities are, able to make its own trade deals with the growing economies of China – and India, and the rest of the Anglosphere – will create wealth and prosperity.  It will conspicuously out-perform the moribund economies of the €urozone.  That, indeed is one of Brussels’ greatest fears.

Time to work together

Now that the official leave designation is decided, it is time for all Eurosceptic groups to come together and focus on the key issue: the independence of our country.  The campaign starts in earnest (without seeking to belittle all the fine work that has gone on already).  Boris Johnson and Michael Gove plan to lead a “Brexit Blitz”, and five sceptical Cabinet Ministers will be campaigning.  The IB Times  reports that Nigel Farage has been busy brokering a truce between the various Eurosceptic factions. Nigel will be sharing a platform with Chris Grayling MP, Leader of the House, in Stoke next week.

Greek Bailout “unrealistic”

Not exactly the most striking news of the day – but a timely reminder that the Greek crisis – and the wider €uro crisis – have not gone away.  IMF Chief Christine Lagarde says that plans for the next Greek bailout (there’s a dreadful inevitability about Greek bail-outs) are “unrealistic”. I haven’t been following it closely.  But I’m prepared to believe her on this one.

Brexit threatens City’s Forex trade

The FT carries an awful warning from a very senior financial executive that the City of London risks losing control of its Forex trade in the event of Brexit. But the senior executive in question is John Cryan, who happens to be Chief Executive of …. Deutsche Bank.  Another Mandy Rice Davies moment.  “He would say that, wouldn’t he?”.

ECJ further weakens UK immigration controls

The Sun reports an ECJ decision that the UK must admit non-EU family members of any EU citizen.  This will be a huge embarrassment to David Cameron, who has explicitly stated that it is “extraordinary” that it is easier for an EU citizen to bring a non-EU spouse into the UK than it is for a UK citizen – and having just recently promised to take a tougher line on immigration.

This is bad enough in itself – but more broadly it proves that whatever the Remain camp may promise, they are simply unable to deliver.

The Sun also reports on a document “Rights and obligations of EU membership” which confirms (though we knew it already) the supremacy of EU law in our country.  In a recent debate in Strasbourg on the migrant crisis, Socialist Group leader Gianni Pittella was asked whether EU member-states should be forced to take quotas of migrants in defiance of the democratic will of their populations.  He replied “Yes – you have to abide by the obligations of EU membership”.  Let’s not say that no one ever warned us.

Jeremy Corbyn makes his big EU speech – sort of

Jeremy Corbyn yesterday gave his much anticipated pro-EU speech, insisting that “there was nothing half-hearted about Labour’s support for the EU”.  Nonetheless his speech was so heavily larded with caveats and excuses and exclusions that it possibly did the Remain side more harm than good..  With friends like that, who needs enemies?  Corbyn reportedly said that his EU policy was “Remain and Reform”.  Has Jeremy not been awake these last forty years?  The EU doesn’t do reform.  Let’s say it again, but louder.  The EU doesn’t do reform.



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31 Responses to Daily Debrief April 15th

  1. Shieldsman says:

    Thank you Linda Loftus of London SW3, I really like it as I am sure will many others

    I find Brexit a most unattractive name for the campaign. May I suggest Eurevoir.
    How is that politicians of all parties, especially the leaders come up with such weird illogical thinking?
    Comrade Corbyn warns of a “bonfire” of workers’ rights if the UK votes to leave the EU in June.
    “They’d dump rights on equal pay, working time, annual leave, for agency workers, and on maternity pay as fast as they could get away with it. It would be a bonfire of rights that Labour governments secured within the EU.
    He cannot have much confidence in the Labour Party ever returning to power to ensure the continuity of the current Parliamentary Acts, but with his slim majority Cameron would not dare try.

    John Redwood today – Many things will stay the same when we leave the EU. The Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties are united in wishing to keep the EU employment laws that offer protections to UK employees. There are no proposals to water down employment protections on exit.

    And he did not think “too many people” had come to the UK from inside the EU. Can’t he read. Even Ed Miliband and Yvette Cooper said they had listened, learned and would control immigration.

    Even if we leave the EU, Labours Climate Change Act is continuing to force up the price of energy, resulting in off-shoring of our Industry. Witness the plight of the steel manufacturing.
    Working time regulations are of no concern to redundant workers on the dole.

    • Alan Wheatley says:

      The problem with “eurevoir”, no matter how sweetly it rolls off the tongue, is that it is not “goodbye” but “see you again”.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      The EEA agreement retains the principles of consumer and workers’ rights and environmental protection. It also outlaws corporations taking over State provided services. A Brexit vote is against the Lisbon Treaty. I am unaware that this decision would alter the Single Market access that the EEA agreement provides. We are not voting to abrogate that!?

  2. Alan Wheatley says:

    Re Corbyn, he and other Labour remainians are arguing that staying in the EU will prevent a Tory government undoing UK socialist legislation they favour. Which is an excellent illustration of the loss of democracy within the EU and a very good argument to leave.

    It also reminds me of what Margaret Thatcher said of the EU, which was something along the lines of “we didn’t push socialism out the front door only to allow it in through the back door”, and how right she was.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      Corbyn is driving his bandwaggon along the Westminster bypass. Unable to get elected to get his socialist policies adopted via a Westminister Parliament/Whitehall Government, he prefers to have them imposed on a reluctant electorate via an ‘undemocratic’ body – the EU Commission!

      As for the MT paraphrase, as I recall it was related to the Closed Shop? But the sentiments correspond with my take in the first paragraph.

  3. Mr Helmer, regarding your first paragraph, that’s the way to do it! We need to keep pushing the £10 billion argument. In fact, let’s start a row about how to spend this extra money.

    Get Louise Bours to state again that it should go to the NHS and get Nigel Farage to state that it should subsidise fags and beer. The BBC loves internal rows in UKIP and this is a nice row to have (only kidding about the fags and beer, but you get the picture).

    The Brexit campaign needs to disarm the “what will Brexit look like” argument so the discussion can move onto the happy problem of what to do with the extra money.

    What will Brexit look like? – Let the People decide….

    For what it’s worth I would suggest that the Brexiteers attempt to get a broad agreement that we will copy & paste all eu regulations onto our statute book and they will remain there for the current Parliament. We should also do the same with trade agreements the eu has with other continents, subject to those countries agreeing. Although people like me would not like the idea of (temporarily) keeping these damaging regulations, I think we should do so for the greater good.

    Thus, we can all agree that the People will decide what Brexit looks like after the next general election. Of course, if Brussels objects to any delay we tell them that in our country we respect the will of the People.

    This then clears the decks to talk about the £10 billion. Pass me a beer.

    • davidbuckingham says:

      Sounds as if you’re conceding the moral high ground to the EU – that we’re happy with all this bureaucratic, corrupt, cronyist, spendthrift, nanny-state socialism but just don’t like Brussels dictating it. For me it’s about real UK Independence, true to its traditions of liberty, rule of law and a free market, not an “I’m a Brexiteer – get me out of here” reality show. It’s about unshackling from the mercantilist customs union and rejoining all the other 170+ independent countries globally, rejoining and free trading with them – especially the Anglosphere.

      • No, I agree with everything you say, but we need those people who love bureaucratic, corrupt, cronyist, spendthrift, nanny-state socialism as we will lose without their votes.

        Why do you think Nigel Farage stood on a platform with George Galloway?

        So, I am suggesting that we say that until the next general election Brexit Britain will look no different than it does right now.

        Then when the BBC asks us what “Brexit will look like” we can say “ask the British public who will vote at the next election”.

        Yes, it sticks in the throat but wining the referendum is the first and most important goal.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      What will Brexit look like? We can’t say! We are incumbered with a pro-EU government for the next 4 years (unless there is a constitutional crisis dv). Brexit will be what they come up with as a plan ‘B’ on June 24th. What Brexit looks like 4 years on and onwards is a different matter. The six Factsheets that Roger posted yesterday from our Norwegian counterparts provides a template for a UKIP policy position to be put to the electorate in 2020 (our 20/20 vision if you like).

      Until then, let the Tories stew in their own juice and suffer the Hubris of offering a Referendum as a ruse to gain power at UKIP’s expense. In those 4 years they will, according to their arguments, be spending time, not mending the roof but putting the sky back in place! We should wish them the best of British with those task.

  4. Ex-expat Colin says:

    MEPs call for Turkish becoming EU language:

    Mental health problems I think…NON LOLZ

  5. Dung says:

    I totally agree with Shieldsman and his comments about the Climate Change Act, note that Cameron has stated his ongoing support for the act. In fact it is easy to see that it is Cameron and not just the EU who is pushing the most extreme environmental agenda in the world right now.
    Cameron only recently confirmed that his government is targeting zero emissions? It has also been announced that Leeds will become a Hydrogen city with cooking and heating changing from Natural Gas to Hydrogen (this will no doubt be comforting for the citizens of Leeds ^.^). In order for this to be even possible it needs to be able to use Carbon Capture and Storage and there is not one single large scale working example of CCS on the planet. If CCS was possible we would be able to keep our coal fired power plants in use and keep the lights on ^.^.
    I seriously wonder about the sanity of David Cameron?

    • Dung, this government is an extremist regime. It was elected in good faith by a moderate populace and then turned on them and went in for extremist Labour Party/BBC policies

      • Dung says:

        I partly agree with you but I think the current extreme environmental policies are way beyond any Labour or BBC policies. Lunacy comes closest to describing it all, for instance even if all Cameron’s daft CO2 reduction policies actually worked, it would have no effect on the planet since so many other countries are not reducing their emissions. (CO2 does not cause global warming by the way)

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      Carbon capture and storage? Nature provides it in the form of vegetation. Stop Corporations clearing forests then the CCA and CC&S R&D costs can be eliminated.

      • Dung says:

        I totally agree Mr Churchill 🙂
        The planet already operates a CCS system which is far superior to any that man could devise plus it is free hehe.

  6. davidbuckingham says:

    I am really very concerned that the NHS spin could weaken the vision and power of the anti-EU global argument. Undecideds will see it as just small-minded and opportunistic. It narrows the reason for leaving down to one pragmatic and contentious issue rather than focussing on the big picture and the viability of UK Independence.

    Remainders are flat earthers. They seem to think, like some ancient civilisation, that the world stops at the borders of the EU. As they see it we are on the periphery of the EU and we’d drop off into oblivion if we left it.

    Economically the best analogy for Island UK and Mainland EU is Island Hong Kong and Mainland China, not Norway, Switzerland or Iceland.

    Hopefully the EU will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. It’s a failing solution to a fictitious non-existent problem. Remainders persistently claim that Europeans are only being restrained from starting another world war by being forced to sleep in the same EU bed. But threats to world peace are clearly global NATO business : Russia, Iran, N Korea, Daesh, not other european states.

    • Dung says:

      I agree about not focussing on the NHS as the best recipient of cash saved by leaving the EU, not least because various politicians have already spent it several times over ^.^
      What for example will be the source of cash to replace EU farming subsidies?

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      “They seem to think, like some ancient civilisation, that the world stops at the borders of the EU.”

      The greens think pollution, climate change and terrorism do! That’s the logic of their support for EU membership.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      If it is so essential that the UK remain in the EU to stop the others (is anyone suggesting that outside the EU we might provoke armed conflict but not if a member?) going to war they should be paying us for keeping them at arms length! The “keeping the peace” argument (should you believe it in the first place) is one for the existence of the EU not the UK’s membership thereof.

  7. Shieldsman says:

    What agreement would we come to when we leave?
    The remainders like Cameron are not very imaginative they keep rejecting the Norway option as useless. I agree it has the failing of the Lisbon Treaty the freedom of movement. Having decided to leave the EU why should the terms be dictated to us, we want to continue trading with our European partners outside of a domineering political union.
    But why should we not have a full negotiated trading agreement specific to the United Kingdom.
    The idea of the Norway option as a temporary measure risks becoming bogged down, besides why pay to trade other than under EFTA and WTO rules.
    When you look into it, many of the entitlements of the EU market are the result of International agreements brokered over the years and still fall into that category. The demand for air travel for example has been fostered by the United Kingdom CAA and the drive of the Independent Airlines.

    Reading the papers Comrade Corbyn has quite a history of eurosceptism and his reasons are in the main still valid today.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      As we were advised yesterday, Norway makes a voluntary contribution for SM access. There is no formal payment set down in the EEA agreement. 38 degs in inaccurate/misleading in this respect. For evidence Google “Norway Financial Mechanism”. This lists the projects that Norway pays for and hence audits the spending on so that it does not go to waste.
      Nor does 38 degs point out that “No other country…” (that has attempted it) is less supplicant than the UK.
      It is good to have confirmation of our arguments from a ‘supposed’ neutral source. I was one who urged 38 degs to adopt that stance.

  8. Shieldsman says:

    I made a note on the 12th about German Liberal MEP Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, who is also a Vice President of the parliament. He indicated he would vote against the emergency brake if it came before Parliament.
    saying : Who counts as the “the European Union” here? Member state leaders have met within the framework of the European Council, but their agreement is in no way a document of the European Union, but a text of hybrid character, which is unspecified and not legally binding.
    So its not a done deal.

  9. Dung says:

    Is there any reason why we could not create and declare a UK Free Trade Area and invite others to join?

    • davidbuckingham says:

      Great idea. Why not?

    • Alan Wheatley says:

      Yes, and the first invitations should go to the 52 other countries of the Commonwealth with a population of over 2 Billion and rising GDP. The Commonwealth itself is in favour of trade, and state there is a 15% cost advantage for Commonwealth countries trading between themselves compared with when one country is outside the Commonwealth.

      Commonwealth countries are not just a market for our goods, but full of opportunity for British ideas, innovation and investment where by the UK’s strengths can benefit developing Commonwealth countries to the good of us all.

      • Jane Davies says:

        The UK freezes the state pensions of just 4% of seniors and most of them live in Commonwealth countries for no other reason than where they live (retire to the USA, Israel, Philippines, US Virgin Islands etc and your pension is index linked, no logic involved in this, it’s a lottery). This issue must be addressed and should be part of a trading deal.

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