Daily Debrief June 9th

Just two weeks to Independence Day!

Billionaire Backs Brexit

The Times headlines “Boost for Brexit as billionaire votes to leave”.  This is Lord Bamford, Chairman of JCB.  God bless those big yellow machines.  JCB is one of the largest engineering companies, manufacturers and exporters in Britain.  It’s a global player that trades all over the world, so Lord Bamford knows what he’s talking about.  He’s also a major Tory Party donor – which must be making Cameron squirm.  Of course we’ve always known that Lord Bamford is a eurosceptic, but his announcement – and especially the timing, with just a fortnight to go – is a superb bonus for the Leave campaign.

Sarah Wollaston goes the other way: ITV reports that Sarah Wollaston MP has switched from Leave to Remain, apparently outraged at what she sees as exaggerated claims about the NHS made by the Leave Campaign.  Presumably she takes the view that Remain’s claims are all moderate and reasonable.

Farage wins the “debate” with Cameron

I wrote yesterday about the Farage/Cameron face-off on ITV on Tuesday night.  The Times runs a “Red Box Poll” which measures viewer reactions during the programme.  Nigel Farage scored higher amongst both supporters and undecideds than Cameron did.  That will provide food for thought for the Vote Leave campaign, which has always felt that Farage was too divisive a figure to make a positive contribution.

Repercussions of the debate: Today’s Sun leads with the story of Harry Boparai, the father of three who savaged David Cameron in the ITV debate, saying Cameron had allowed uncontrolled immigration to ruin his home town of Slough.  Mr. Boparai urges Sun readers to vote for Brexit, saying that he will quit the UK if we vote to Remain, and adding for good measure that Cameron should trying living Mr. Boparai’s life for a day.  I think it’s fairly clear where the Sun is heading in the Brexit debate.

Thatcher Minister quits Tories in Brexit Row: In another blow to David Cameron, John Nott, Defence Minister during the Falklands War, has left the Tory party, incensed by the line that David Cameron is taking. He attacks Cameron’s “tirade of fear”, saying that Cameron and Osborne have “poisoned the debate” with their “frenetic warnings” over the consequences of Brexit.  They are “alienating Conservatives”, who are “not Little Englanders or quitters”.

Osborne terrorises Scotland

Osborne will warn today that Brexit would cause huge damage to Scotland, increasing unemployment by 43,000 and youth unemployment by 6000.  I have previously described this regular Remain ploy: you start with two highly questionable assumptions – that Brexit will (A) cause the Pound to fall out of bed, and (B) reduce trade – and everything else follows.  You can choose any group – the universities, the NHS, cancer patients, scientific research, or in this case, Scotland – and infer damage to the selected sub-group.  But the whole thing is a nonsense if the underlying assumptions are false.  We want Brexit because it will facilitate growth and prosperity.  The Scots (and the rest of us) will be better off out.

Nor should we panic about a break-up of the United Kingdom.  The SNP will no doubt want to consider Brexit as a pretext for a second Scottish referendum.  But a recent poll in The Scotsman showed that after Brexit, and if there were a new Scottish referendum poll, Scots would vote by a decisive ten-point margin to stay in the UK.  And they would be right to do so.

What does Cameron really believe (if anything?)

Footage has emerged of a young David Cameron, then Leader of the Opposition, in a tirade against Brussels. Yet today he is leading the campaign to keep us in the EU.  Or as someone put it on Twitter, “We can see the flames – we can smell the smoke – but Cameron tells us to stay in the building”.  UKIP Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall comments: “He ditched his promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, he ditched his promise to get ‘fundamental reform’ of the EU, and now he appears to have ditched his belief Britain could ‘thrive’ outside the EU as he continues his preposterous Project Fear scaremongering”.

Cameron told to rule out Brexit sabotage by pro-Brussels MPs

Cameron has tried to rule out blue-on-blue debates on TV.  But he couldn’t duck PMQs when Tory MPs, led by Liam Fox, demanded he rule out the possibility of pro-Brussels MPs sabotaging Brexit during the course of post-Brexit negotiations.  A possible anti-Brexit guerrilla campaign by pro-Brussels MPs was described as a “democratic outrage”.  Cameron is still saying he would stay on to negotiate Britain’s exit after a Brexit vote, but pro-Brexit MPs, and perhaps the British people, will demand that the process be led by someone who actually believes in it.  Boris?  Fox?  Gove?

World’s largest Sovereign Wealth Fund backs Britain after Brexit

Bloomberg reports that the world’s largest Sovereign Wealth Fund, that of Norway, has said that it will maintain its investments in the UK regardless of the outcome of the Brexit vote. Given the  extraordinary and blood-curdling warnings of post-Brexit economic collapse from the Remain Campaign, it’s good to see we have the endorsement of Norway.  Whereas we in the UK spent the proceeds of North Sea Oil as we went along, the canny Norwegians put most of their proceeds into their Sovereign Wealth Fund – as we hope Britain will do if and when the shale gas business takes off.

We hear a lot about “the Norwegian Model”.  It’s not the sort of EU relationship we want, as it would leave us liable to free movement, EU budget contributions and much EU legislation.  But it has worked well enough for Norway.  Their per capita GDP is $100,000, compared to the UK at $44,000 and an EU average of $38,000.  Compare also Switzerland, another not-quite EU member, at $88,000.

“Albanian double killer lives freely in UK”

Yesterday I reported on Dominic Raab’s dossier of 50 serious offenders from Europe who have been allowed to stay on in Britain.  Following the same theme, the Mail today leads with “Albanian double killer who has lived freely in Open Borders UK for 18 years”.  On the run from a 25 year prison sentence imposed in his absence, he has reportedly claimed large sums in benefits while also working in the black economy.

Government to extend voter registration by two days

Voter registration in time for the referendum vote was due to close on Tuesday at midnight.  But because the system crashed, due to the large number of hits, the deadline has been extended by 48 hours, to midnight today.  Genuine excuse?  Or the government desperate to skew the result and sign up younger voters ahead of the referendum?  Who knows?

Jeremy Corbyn on Sky TV: perhaps not the most exciting piece of Brexit news, but the same Telegraph report announces that Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will make his Brexit TV debut on Sky News on Monday June 20th.  Perhaps his objective is to inject a little enthusiasm into the campaign.  But not too much.

Merkel’s row with Turkey deepens

Despite Germany’s strong wish to maintain the EU migrant deal with Turkey, the spat between the two countries may get out-of-hand.  Germany has summoned the Turkish Ambassador to complain of allegations by Turkish President Erdogan that some German MPs of Turkish origin are terrorist sympathisers, and apologists for the PKK Kurdish separatist group.  The accusations seem to have been prompted by the Bundestag’s vote last week to recognise the Armenian Genocide of 1915.  The issue is a red rag to Ankara.  This row augurs badly for the EU/Turkey agreement.

EU means millions of toxic cigarettes smuggled into Britain

A report from accountants KPMG shows a massive rise in the smuggling of counterfeit and potentially toxic cigarettes from Romania. The flow has increased rapidly since Romania joined the EU in 2007, and Romanian citizens acquired free movement rights.  In 2015, 580 million of these cigarettes were imported, up from 150 million in 2014.  Of course the recent plain pack legislation will further facilitate these illegal and counterfeit flows.  Yet another EU disaster to which Brussels is unable to respond.

France more eurosceptic than UK?

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard writes in the Telegraph about a recent Pew Survey showing that dissatisfaction with the EU is even higher in France than in the UK – 61% (France) versus 48% (UK).  This follows the progressive deterioration of the French economy, which is widely blamed on the EU.  Not surprising that Greece is also up there at 71%, and even Spain at 49%.  It looks increasingly likely that Brexit will spark a revolt across Europe which will profoundly change the shape of the EU, and may spell the end of the European project as we know it.  I look forward to a new Europe of independent, democratic states linked solely by free trade and voluntary intergovernmental cooperation.  A vote for Brexit is first and foremost a vote for Britain.  But it may also prove to be a vote for a free and prosperous Europe.

A ban on European holidays?

A poll by a travel agency of over 2000 respondents shows that an extraordinary one-in-six believe that Brexit would mean a ban on European holidays.  This sounds absurd, but it is a serious issue.  The research says that 88% of those who believe there’ll be a ban think it’s a bad thing and will vote Remain simply for this reason.  That could be more than 10% of voters.   Let’s get the message out – after Brexit, we’ll still go on European holidays, we’ll still buy European cars and wine, and Europeans will still visit Britain and buy Jaguars and Nissans.  Trade and travel will continue.

Tim Montgomerie on immigration

Worth reading Tim Montgomerie in the Times – Why Immigration could be what destroys Cameron.  And David Young: “Ignore the WTO – we’d be better off with Brexit”. Subtitle: “The EU is at heart uncompetitive”.  Well yes, that’s all too true.

“Brave Lions stand up to euro terror”

I don’t often cite the Daily Star, but I liked their headline “Brave Lions stand up to euro terror”. So should we.

Fog over the Channel

I was delighted by a headline in Dernière Nouvelles d’Alsace this morning.  It featured “Brouillard sur Brexit”.  My French isn’t very good, but I think it means “Fog over the Channel – Continent isolated!”.





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38 Responses to Daily Debrief June 9th

  1. Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

    I read the piece and it is really all about the fact that at this stage, the polls are showing both campaigns pretty much neck and neck, hence the term fog. Interestingly, the author of e piece opined that regardless of the outcome, the EU will never be the same again. Whether this means the EU will listen a bit more or legislate a lot more he declined to say. I think we can safely forecast the latter.

    With regard to MPs ignoring the will of the people in the event of a Brexit vote, if that happens, I very much hope that the result will the same as the introduction of the Poll Tax but much bigger and much better. MPs need to remember that they are there to represent all constituents and if the majority vote to leave, this decision must be respected.

    The British are a pretty phlegmatic lot, but when our ire is roused, it takes a lot of quenching. We have been lied to over the decades and finally have a lawful, peaceful means of expressing our views. Woe betide any parliament that rides roughshod over public opinion when so unequivocally expressed.

  2. Bernard Hough says:

    During a 15 mile trip down the M6 motorway I decided to look out for cars like my neighbours, a one year old Mercedes which cost I believe about £40,000.
    I saw 10 of a similar ilk in that short distance.
    So say roughly £400,000.
    Apart from these just about 9 out of 10 were French or German, including I`m sorry to say mine, a 15 year old French!!
    Now can anyone imagine France or Germany wanting to give up this market, or raising tariffs on them?.
    I mean would it not be better for us if we bought only the Japanese/ Other cars made in the U.K.?
    At least we would be employing more in the car industry and builders for the new factories we would need.
    Also we could go back to making our own rolling stock and underground trains, stop buying wind turbines which affect local weather conditions and the blame put on climate change so we can be sold more!
    We can dredge our rivers in preparation for the next spate of flooding, unless of course we get rid of the turbines.
    We can build our own power stations, we can control not only our borders but what happens to criminal immigrants within them.
    I can imagine other E.U. members whose income revolves around tourism being in favour of anything which affects holidaymakers from the U.K.
    We would have to go back into Blackpool they would have to go into debt.
    When Europe becomes an Islamic state my great grandchildren will be better off out of it!

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      A lot of Ford cars built in Germany and Spain but the important thing is this:

      • davidbuckingham says:

        This is a false dichotomy and a missed opportunity – what about
        I want to save Britain and Europe from the EU?

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        Don’t go on about europe because it’ll all become offensive if some says …Hitler. And with whats in europe now (and running it) I don’t think it’ll be worth saving!

      • catweazle666 says:

        And Ford Transit vans which used to built in Britain are now built in Turkey – in a factory financed by the EU.

        With friends like those…

  3. Alan Wheatley says:

    Re who should lead the Brexit debate when we leave: Boris? Fox? Gove? – Wong! Wrong! Wrong! Because they would all be Conservative ministers under a Conservative Prime Minister who campaigned compassionately and irrationally to Remain.

    The only person I can think of who would have credibility under a Cameron PM is Lord Nigel Farage (elevated to the peerage as is custom in the UK when a distinguished career as an elected politician comes to an end).

  4. Bernard Hough says:

    One thing I forgot to mention.
    I would like to see a TV interviewer ask one of the boat people arriving on our beaches:- ” What is the big attraction to the U.K.?
    And explain that David Cameron says “You will have no money and nowhere to live”
    Also, “where did you get the money to pay for your` travel up to now?” `I.S.I.S. ?!!

  5. Alan Wheatley says:

    Re “Osborne Terrorises Scotland” – we should make sure the Scots understand the creeping EU legal system which is common in mainland Europe (guilty until proven innocent) compared with our Common Law established over 1000 years (innocent until proven guilty). The two systems can not exist side by side in the unifying EU.

    Many Scots may not like the English, but they need to understand who their best friends really are.

    • Bernard Hough says:

      The U.K. pays millions per year for membership of the E.U.
      If we were to leave and Scotland remain how much would they have to pay, and do the Scottish people realise this?
      It certainly would not be free, and if we leave, everyones contribution would have to be increased to meet the salary bill of the Eurocrats!

  6. Shieldsman says:

    The Newspapers that allow comments on Osborne’s performance against Andrew Neil, consider that Osborne did more harm to Cameron’s remain campaign than good. Insulting the Public with scaremongering economics, then calling them little englanders is self defeating.

    I was curious as to why the voter registration crashed. What was the incentive/spur for them to suddenly rush to register? It’s as if they had been offered 50quid to do so.

    • Ken Dickenson says:

      The need to register to vote has been given massive air and media showing for the last six months or so. For so many (were there really?) to leave it to the last minute, in my mind, if they missed it, bad luck, they don’t deserve a vote.

      • Jane Davies says:

        My sentiments too, I refused to support the 38 degrees campaign to extend the deadline. I can’t believe so many suddenly had an epiphany and realised they needed to register to vote. Have they been living down a hole for the last six months? It all smells a bit fishy to me.

    • Nigel Greaves says:

      I heard that it crashed at 10.15 pm, so 1hr 45mins before deadline, so why has it now been extended by 48hrs when less than 2 hrs was lost?
      Surely they could have fixed the problem and reopened the registration for two hours at a time and date to be agreed.

      There was obviously going to be a peak on the final day so why didn’t they extend the capacity for that one day?
      Apparently its not difficult to do although it is expensive.

      If they are granted permission for the judicial review then surely the referendum goes on hold? It’s probably nigh on impossible to get permission in 14 days though so I doubt it will happen

  7. Anyoldiron says:

    We will NEVER forget, THEY gave their lives for US.

    So many gave their lives for us
    Fighting in two World Wars,
    Yet when “Peace” came at last
    We ask, “What was that war for”?
    Where is that peace we fought for?
    Did we pay to give it away
    To foreigners once more to govern us?
    Did the people ever have a say?

    We were asked once in 1975
    To remain in the then EEC,
    But what is it now in 2016,
    It is nothing like we thought it would be.
    Our Common Law Constitution
    Ignored and deliberately cast aside,
    A new Flag and EU Anthem
    That no Brits can truly abide.

    Yet according to our Constitution,
    We must be free to govern our selves?
    To betray those that gave their lives for us
    Would be like living in a permanent Hell!
    We are forbidden to obey foreigners
    Our Constitution makes that quite clear,
    So WHY are you allowing foreigners
    To Govern us forever more?

  8. Ken Dickenson says:

    Just watched Sky news. Big headline about Sarah Woolaston defecting from the Leave campaign.
    No mention whatsoever about John Nott leaving the Conservative party.
    I wonder why that is?

  9. “We hear a lot about “the Norwegian Model”. It’s not the sort of EU relationship we want, as it would leave us liable to free movement, EU budget contributions and much EU legislation”

    By discarding the Norway option as a stepping stone to “getting our country back” the Leave campaigns have greatly reduced our chances of winning this referendum. Yes free movement of workers is an important issue, but it isn’t has important as the question of who governs us. Also I assume you are aware that Chapter 4 of the EEA agreement specifies safeguard measures that would allow us to unilaterally suspend FoM for an indefinite period.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      Yes baldy, I am pressing this very point. Within a few days it will be too late for the message to be effective. Bluey

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      “Chapter 4 of the EEA agreement specifies safeguard measures that would allow us to unilaterally suspend FoM for an indefinite period.”

      I will check! This as it is a barnstormer of a point! I was aware that it was part of EFTA rules but these only apply mutually not with EU.

      It has something to do with socia services being overwhelmed.

    • davidbuckingham says:

      Brexit urgently needs to clarify the nature of the SINGLE MARKET. Remainders have been given a free-run which plays into the hands of the apathetic and fearful. As Patrick Minford said Vote Leave don’t seem to understand the Brexit argument themselves – and this could easily lose the debate single-handed.

      Brexiters understand and prioritise sovereignty and taking back control, as increasingly do 2/3rds of Europe, especially Greece and France [Times leader today]. And they understand how this relates to controlled immigration – vs discriminating against 11/12ths of the world’s population in favour of 500m Europeans, regardless of background.

      Where the remainder vote is scoring heavily [nb amongst the young] is in the comfort-threatened zone – the privileged position to work, travel and do business within the so-called “single market” without the conditions that we have internationally with 168 independent sovereign nations. There is also lack of loud and clear statement about how we would continue trading with Europe which Remain scoff at.

      Would Roger or anyone care to add to or correct the following about the single market essentials? Are these the strongest factors? Would greatly appreciate maximum clarity because I’m sure it’s decisive. I’ve read some Roger Bootle, Patrick Minford and Dan Hannan among others – trying to crystallise the headlines which aren’t getting enough air-time.

      The net cost of membership is greater than the worst-case tariff we’d have to pay to sell our goods to Europe with NO FTAs. This is apart from the Brexit argument that Brussels controls how our refund is spent.
      What are the chances of not getting FTAs and risking tariff war with European countries whose jobs and industries rely on our business? How are we to judge the chances, what can we compare with to avoid the yes it will>no it won’t argument with Remain?
      Is it true only 10% of our business is in exports, and only half that to the EU – so we’re talking about a small minority – 5% – of business, however perfectly formed.
      Meanwhile ALL business is subject to EU regulations, increasing their costs and prices and so reducing employment.
      All regs might be re-instated or maintained by Wetminster but it would be in our control, we have a vote.
      Astonishingly I’ve heard preference for Brussels’s social agenda regardless of its democratic nature – and dismissal of Westminster to instigate those kinds of law (as well as dismissal of the value of our demockracy). Thus ends justify the means.
      They are blind to the fact that Brussels down the road might just change its mind and there’s nothing we could do about it. This is only about WHERE POWER lies, not about any PARTICULAR POLICIES. Too often spokesmen get sucked into addressing the latter, when it’s much simpler than that.
      As for what will Brexit look like? What about the other 168 independent nations on the planet, all of whose continents rub along better than Europe’s 28, bar Antarctica?

      I’m sure there’s more. Any suggestions?

      There’s a scary political apathy combined with plain laziness and abdication of responsibility, relying on authority. These play into the hands of the 1984 elite who like Stalin and Mao are themselves driven by Fear of Chaos, and thereby understand intimately the power of Project Fear. Their solution is top-down authoritarianism and unimpeded management by themselves, to cope with their fear and disdain of the electorate.

      Cameron and others casuistically portray this referendum as an example of democracy in action. But this is one decision to end all decisions – like entering a monastery, or voting Hitler into power.

      • John S Churchill Jnr says:

        I have worked out that the European Single Market is a product of the EEA Agreement. On the other hand the EU’s Internal Market is a Product of the ToR/Lisbon. The rules are not dissimilar but they should not be confused. Leaving the EU leaves the Internal Market with it Common External Tariff (which feeds the EU’s coffers) but leaves in place the entire European Single Market that the CBI etc. so crave to continue but erroneously think derives from EU membership.

        The question then is can we avoid the worst aspects of FoM while we either renegotiate the EEA or negotiate a British Option. For the time being, our leave campaign leadership needs to get onto this point pronto!

        I am suprised that Roger has fallen for the cost Norway has to pay to be in this club. See Norway Financial Mechanism. It’s in the nature of overseas aid not a budget contribution.

      • Ken Dickenson says:

        ” What about the other 168 independent nations on the planet, all of whose continents rub along better than Europe’s 28, bar Antarctica?”
        Yes indeed, the Remainders are too frightened to stand on their own two feet and have no confidence in the British people to make these Islands great again, trading and allying with all the other free nations in the world. They instead want to remain tied to Nanny EU’s apron strings seeking to hide from independent national responsibilities.
        The remainers are the true Little Englanders.

      • Jane Davies says:

        Ken you say “Yes indeed, the Remainders are too frightened to stand on their own two feet and have no confidence in the British people to make these Islands great again,”

        The British people made the former Great Britain great and can do so again, it’s the present bunch of career politicians who are not the right caliber for the job. They need sweeping away and a government with backbone and knowledge and loyalty that’s needed. This could be the only chance the citizens have to rid themselves of useless politicians and have pride in their country once more.

      • Ken Dickenson says:

        Hi Jane,
        We are in total agreement. Let’s get rid of Dodgy Dave and his Little Englanders holding his hands.

      • Jane Davies says:

        Absofrigginglutely !

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      I think the point you make is a paraphrase of Part III, Article 43, para 4. Earlier, FoM is limited to private sector and even then only when one has a job offer. Plenty of wriggle room. I have yet to run down the source of authority for signing this later version of the agreement anyway. I believe the earlier version did not refer to workers, just persons.

      It’s definitely something worth looking into. I have so far failed to get Andrew Neil interested!

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      Baldy, e-mail me for a leaflet I am already distributing on this very subject. In the 1941 Battle of Britain, we recognise “The Few”. There seem to be even fewer of us (5 or 6) who are on to this point (guests on ConHome) in this latest Battle for Britain.

    • catweazle666 says:

      “By discarding the Norway option as a stepping stone to “getting our country back” the Leave campaigns have greatly reduced our chances of winning this referendum.”

      I very much doubt it actually.

      I think it unlikely that more than a small percentage of voters are interested in such abstractions.

      Immigration, pressure on wages, overloading of health, education and housing resources and sovereignty are much simpler, more easily grasped concepts.

      We are dealing predominantly with the relatively unsophisticated ‘General Public’ here remember, they are not generally very au fait with matters such as Norway’s relationship with the EU.

      There is a reason for the almost universal applicability of the acronym KISS – “Keep It Simple Stupid”.

      • John S Churchill Jnr says:

        It is simple. ESM = EEA (which we are already in). EU IM = LT = CET

        As for Plebs and Norway, they have been led to believe this is a bad option when it is not. As I point out, even Roger Helmer has been taken in by the propaganda. I have looked into the EEA treaty and Norway’s deal. It is nothing like as draconian as is being presented. And (no disrespect) Norway is a supplicant. Norway is in on any negotiation at the start when principles are being discussed and can choose which items to accept. That it seems to have to is because she wants to. True, the European Commission deals with the boring detail stuff before Norway gets its final say. Only Belittling Englanders would reject this as our starting point for a bespoke arrangement for Britain.

  10. Adam Collyer says:

    I must say I was a bit nonplussed by Dr Wollaston’s intervention. She seemed to be saying that she didn’t like the way Vote Leave were campaigning, and therefore she had changed her mind about whether Britain should remain in the EU. But this isn’t an election after all – we are not voting for or against the organisations campaigning on either side. We are voting on the issue of leaving or remaining in the EU. It does seem a bit confusing that a Member of Parliament (who is presumably well informed on political issues like those relating to our EU membership) would change her mind about those issues because of the conduct of a particular group of campaigners. If we vote to leave the EU, we are not voting for the Vote Leave party – we are voting to leave the EU!

  11. terry sullivan says:

    i am concerned that postal votes are read before the end of polling day. I contacted my local electoral officer who confirmed the postal votes are read on receipt–surely this leaves corruption a potential problem?


  12. Shieldsman says:

    Does anyone know what is going on in the EU, Is there a news blackout?
    Breitbart reports on events then we have EurActiv.com with two interesting items in the last few days.
    Brexit or not, Europe’s voters are cooler on EU, survey reveals. By EurActiv.com with AFP
    8 Jun 2016
    Whether or not Britons vote this month to quit the European Union, fellow voters across the continent are increasingly sceptical of the benefits of staying in the bloc.

    ***A Pew Research Center survey published yesterday (7 June) suggests the 23 June Brexit referendum will be close, with 48% of British voters polled unfavorable to Europe and 44% in favor.***
    But opposition has also increased in traditionally more positive countries – with a 17 point drop in EU support to 38% in France, for example, over a single year. In the 10 countries surveyed, only Greek voters, forced by the EU and international lenders to adopt a harsh austerity program, are more upset with Brussels than the French. The Union is still supported among newer members, with 72% of Poles and 61% of Hungarians expressing a favorable view, compared to only 27% of Greeks.
    Even among the bloc’s richer founding members, support barely reaches 50% and the trend is downward, with support in Germany falling eight points to that mark between 2015 and 2016.

    Across Europe, younger voters and supporters of left-wing parties are generally more supportive of European Union membership than are the elderly or right-wing populists.

    But the electorates are united in their concern about how the Union has dealt with the refugee crisis, with large majorities expressing frustration across the board.
    There is also wide – but less universal – disapproval of the way in which the bloc handled the economic impact of the eurozone crisis, particularly on the Mediterranean. In the debt-laden south, 65% of Spanish voters, 66% of the French, 68% of Italians and a whopping 92% of Greeks disapprove of EU economic management.

    Ever closer union
    Unsurprisingly, this general feeling of malaise translates into lower support for Europe’s 1957 treaty goal of an “ever closer union” between the member states. In six out of the 10 countries surveyed, more voters would like to see powers returned to their home capitals from Brussels than would like to see greater centralization. Most tellingly for the upcoming vote, some 65% of British voters would like to see London recover some of its influence, compared to only six percent for closer union.

    The Pew Research Center’s Global Attitudes survey is conducted with face-to-face and telephone polls by TNS BMRB of around 1,000 voting age adults in each country. The 10 countries involved in the survey are: Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden.

    Another one to look at is: Paris and Berlin ready new EU plan for after Brexit vote.
    By EurActiv.com with AFP 27 May 2016
    European Union heavyweights France and Germany are readying a joint plan for the future of the bloc after Britain’s June 23 referendum, irrespective of whether Britons vote to remain or leave, sources said Friday.

    While the EU insists there is no “plan B”, officials from several key countries including France, Germany and Italy quietly met in Brussels on Monday to discuss the aftermath of the vote, one of the European sources said.

  13. Francesca Macfarlane says:

    Lord Bamford’s decision to come out in favour of Brexit is of enormous significance, but will Nigel, Boris and the rest of the Leave spokespersons capitalise on it? I despair at the failure of the latter group to make use of all the “uncomfortable for the Remainers” facts that are at their disposal. When Nigel was savaged by a pharmaceuticals employee on Tuesday, why didn’t he point out that EU regulation has virtually eliminated clinical trials in the UK (down from 10% to 1% of the World’s total)?
    And David Cameron’s former closest friend, and political guru for seven year, Steve Hilton, states that “the UK is literally ungovernable as a democracy while it remains in a club that has been ‘corruptly captured’ by a self-serving elite”. Shouldn’t Michael Gove or Lord Owen be mentioning this in their speeches?

  14. Shieldsman says:

    There is a very good counter to Osborne’s £4,300, by Andrew Green – Why Brexit wouldn’t leave voters out of pocket, in the Spectator.
    Of much more interest for ordinary people is what impact this would actually have on their wages. The TUC has calculated, on the basis of these same forecasts, that the average wage would rise from £492 a week to £672 if we left the EU, compared with £712 if we remained. Again, this shows that any suggestion that workers would be ‘worse off’ than today if the UK were to leave the EU is entirely misplaced.

  15. Bernard Hough says:

    I have tried to figure out one of the threats that the `in` leaders ;especially dodgy Dave.
    They say that property prices will fall, everyone is supposed to panic at this and vote to stay!
    Hang on! The value of my house will only concern me if I decide to sell it, but the one I intend to buy will have come down as well!
    Youngsters will have a better chance of getting a foot on the ladder if the prices drop!
    So what is the problem? Oh! Hang On!!
    I have just had a thought.
    That millionaire property developer has just purchased those fields on the outskirts of the village for a few million pounds and has started to build twenty apartment blocks to take in the expected influx of people if we stay in the E.U.
    Of course twenty blocks each with twenty apartments at about £250,000 each.
    Cor if we leave and the numbers don`t come, and the property values drop!!
    That`s what Dodgy Dave is so concerned about, he would have some apologies to make!
    And I think all the other reasons he gives for `staying in` come under the same banner.
    But nothing like this is ever covered and analyzed by the news channels, all seem to be biased to `stay in` some interviewers make this really obvious.
    I wonder if I am looking at this the right way?!!?

  16. Anyoldiron says:

    We will NEVER forget.

    So many gave their lives for us
    Fighting in two World Wars,
    Yet when “Peace” came at last
    We ask, “What was that war for”?
    Where is that peace we fought for?
    Did we pay to give it away
    To foreigners once more to govern us?
    Did the people ever have a say?

    We were asked once in 1975
    To remain in the then EEC,
    But what is it now in 2016
    It is nothing like we thought it would be.
    Our Common Law Constitution
    Ignored and deliberately cast aside,
    A new Flag and EU Anthem
    That no Brits can truly abide.

    Yet according to our Constitution,
    We must be free to govern our selves?
    To betray those that gave their lives for us
    Would be like living in a permanent Hell!
    We are forbidden to obey foreigners
    Our Constitution makes that quite clear,
    It is time for us to set ourselves FREE.
    By the REFERENDUM Governments fear.

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