Daily Debrief June 12th

Eleven days to Independence Day!

Brexit surge: The panic rolls on

The Express headlines “Panic grips Downing Street – ‘Toxic’ Cameron told to take a back seat”.  Emergency plans are being hatched to win over voters at the last minute and save the Prime Minister’s career, it reports.  Yesterday there were reports that Downing Street wanted to “take out” Boris Johnson.  Now it seems they want to take out the Prime Minister.  Too late, guys.

Brexit benefits workers: Paul Nuttall MEP has a cracking article in the Express “Time for Labour to admit it – Brexit would benefit the working class”.

After all Lord Rose, the Leader of “Stronger in Europe” (what happened to him, by the way?) is on record saying that Brexit will mean higher wages.

Cameron warns on pensions: David Cameron has warned that Brexit could damage pensions. Yet again, we see generalised claims about economic damage particularised to one policy area: in this case pensions.  We don’t buy it Dave.  After Brexit, we’ll be better off.  We’ll have more money, not less, for the government to spend on desirable social objectives.

Archbishop Welby backs Remain: The Archbishop has announced he’s voting In.  I’m sure he does so sincerely believing it’s the right thing – but he encapsulates a fallacy which is all too widespread.  Too many people seem to think that EU membership is about friendship, cooperation, goodwill, neighbourliness and Christian values.  If only.  It’s about a dysfunctional model of government which is making us poorer and less democratic and less free.  We on the Leave side are all in favour of goodwill and cooperation.  But we’re not in favour of abandoning democracy to foreign technocrats – especially to institutions with such a dire record of failure on all fronts.

Football fans for Brexit

The Express reports that England fans at the Euros football tournament have been heard singing anti-EU songs.  Despite their ripe language, their hearts seem to be in the right place.

Sweden warns of Brexit contagion across Europe

Margot Wallstrom, Sweden’s Foreign Minister, fears that the UK Brexit referendum could spark demands across the EU for similar challenges in other member-states.  As a former EU Commissioner (with a Commissioner’s pension) she is appalled by that idea.  Just think – other people might start asking for democracy and freedom!  What a terrible thing.  She might look closer to home.  The traditionally liberal Swedes have been spooked by mass immigration, and there is unrest in the ranks.  The Eurosceptic Swedish Democrats are riding high in the polls.

UK plan to admit a million Turks

While Cameron and Osborne tell us that Turkish EU accession is a thousand years away, the Times reports a secret (but leaked) plan to allow a million Turks into the UK even before any Turkish accession, under the terms of the visa-free deal being negotiated by Brussels with Turkey.  Worth keeping in mind on June 23rd.

UK voters “would back Norway-style Brexit”

The Telegraph reports that a new poll commissioned by the Adam Smith Institute shows that UK voters would back a Norway-style Brexit by a margin of two-to-one.  Norway is an admirable country, with a very high per capita income, and a massive Sovereign Wealth Fund based on the proceeds of their North Sea Oil.  But the problem with the Norway model is that it involves on-going EU budget contributions, free movement of people, and obeying a proportion of EU rules.  These are things we’re trying to get away from.

The other problem is that our referendum offers simply an In/Out choice, with nothing to say about the new relationship we might want. My preference is for a clean break and a free trade agreement, but some say the Norway model is worth considering as an intermediate stage.

Why a Norway model can’t work

Helpfully, the same paper also offers a piece by Andrew Sentance, formerly on the bank of England Monetary Policy Committee, on why the Norway model can’t work for the UK.   Take your pick.


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26 Responses to Daily Debrief June 12th

  1. If Cameron wants to frighten pensioners he should beware that the REAL hazard is staying in as there is a massive 30 trillion euros “hole” looming in the pension funding for 17 EU countries according to the study compiled in 2009 by the Research Center for report Generational Contracts at Freiburg University which was commissioned by the European Central Bank.
    The largest pension liabilities for the existing populations in 2009 in per cent of GDP were in France (362.2%) and Germany (329.6%). The UK had the lowest pension liability of those examined at 91.2%.
    The EU pension liability will obviously get much worse since 2009 considering the millions of immigrants coming into the EU since the report was written and through new countries, like Turkey, waiting to join. Presumably when David Cameron and the remain campaigners are advocating that we vote to stay in the EU “for our children’s sake” they are looking forward to condemning our children with paying off some of this vast sum which already equates to 1 million euros for every UK taxpayer?

    • Anyoldiron says:

      I guess I am classed as a pensioner Jeremy, and STILL fighting for our Country’s freedom from foreign rule. In that last WAR, and what I can see what is happening now, our Government is actually paying foreigners to Govern us-I wonder WHY we need ANYONE IN THOSE TWO HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT! What if Winston Churchill had suggested we pay those foreigners THEN to Govern us eh? How does ANY ONE OF THOSE IN PARLIAMENT “TODAY” know who may be in POWER eventually-and we cannot get rid of them because it maybe one GREAT STATE? Winston Churchill truly was the GREATEST PRIME MINISTER this Country has ever had. Living near the much used Manchester Ship Canal at that time, and near to TRAFFORD PARK where all the factories were, we were indeed bombed night after night. When the School that I went to then was fire bombed we went round scrapnell picking unitl those “in charge” spoilt it all, for woodsheds outside another school were made available for us–SPOIL SPORTS!
      This is WHY I keep on fighting, and reading HANSARD to keep up with those that some people freely elected are doing, especially from when that one Prime Minister of this truly GREAT Country took us into the then EEC/EC now EU suggested by others at that time, it was a “CLUB”. Some club eh!

  2. Shieldsman says:

    I was out helping on the street stall yesterday morning and the response from the over 50’s, with a few exceptions was will vote to LEAVE. Those with postal votes gladly volunteered they had already voted to LEAVE.

    For the young person who might be taken in by the scaremongering, Liam Halligan has an interesting article – No amount of EU hysteria can bury our housing crisis

    There is question that immigration and an increasing population raises the demand for housing and pushes up the prices for the housing stock. Supply keeps falling behind demand.
    The young remainders if they are not on the housing ladder, then their chances are diminishing.

    Extract: The UK house-building sector is a classic oligopoly – with the top 10 developers controlling, directly or indirectly, more than two-thirds of the market. There is strong evidence these companies boost profit margins by restricting competition and dragging their feet when it comes to increasing supply.

  3. Anyoldiron says:

    So many gave their lives for our FREEDOM.

    We fought in a terrible World War for you
    Rather than have FOREIGNERS governing us,
    Yet in “today’s” World, a way was found,
    By PAYING those foreigners, without fuss.

    Our MP’s and Government now eagerly PAY,
    Those foreigners that we once fought,
    Yet if born here in this Great Britain of ours
    Is our once sworn allegiance as of nought?

    Two empty Chambers in those Great Halls
    Eventually may well come to be?
    Where once a truly GREAT man sat,

    • Ken Walker says:

      A Norway-style Brexit is NOT what we want, but it looks like the one we are going to get.
      A government response to a petition ” David Cameron is precluded from negotiations with the EU in the event of Brexit” says:
      “…we will have to accept significant trade-offs. These include accepting free movement of people, contributing to the EU’s programmes and budgets, and being bound by the rules of the Single Market…”
      So whatever happens after June 23rd we will, as the Americans say, get shafted.

  4. Smudge Smith says:

    I came across this little poem in the comments section of the Express this morning. It seems to say everything about the EU that has got us to where we are. I do not know who penned it, but credit to whoever did;

    Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the  fly,
    It really is a winner and the cost is not too high,
    I know De Gaulle said “Non”, but he hadn’t got a clue,
    We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you.
    You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
    As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow.
    It’s just a continental term believe me, mon ami,
    Like “Vive la France” or “Mad Anglais” or even “E.E.C.”
    As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a  few,
    You’ll find that we ignore them – but they all apply to you!
    Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
    You do all the giving, and we all share it out.
    It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
    You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must  concede,
    So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the  side,
    Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride.

  5. Ken Walker says:

    A Norway-style Brexit is NOT what we want, but it looks like the one we are going to get.
    A government response to a petition ” David Cameron is precluded from negotiations with the EU in the event of Brexit” says:
    “…we will have to accept significant trade-offs. These include accepting free movement of people, contributing to the EU’s programmes and budgets, and being bound by the rules of the Single Market…”
    So whatever happens after June 23rd we will, as the Americans say, get shafted.

  6. Ian Phillips says:

    There was a very neat little post, or link, here very recently on the subject of Norway. The big point about Norway was that all the same kind of scaremongering threats were made to the Norwegian people in the run-up to their referenda…i.e. if Norway didn’t join the EU its economy would go tits-up. The reality was that Norway lost nothing by staying out, and has become one of the strongest economies, and in spite of the open borders policy.
    This point needs to be distinguished from the idea of adopting the ‘Norway model’ by a post-Brexit UK. Yes, perhaps, as has been said, a Norway model would leap-frog EU objections for a while. But it would not leap-frog our own UK objection to the uncontrolled borders part of the deal. The question of immigration to the UK is a question of scale. Maybe Norway is not so besieged by migrants as Britain, as yet. However, the UK is already overcrowded, in my opinion, and “if I ruled the world” I would introduce a population control policy immediately. We have to stop pussy-footing around this population issue and get things back under control asap.

  7. Jane Davies says:

    How much lower can Cameron get? Targeting pensioners and hoping to frighten them over their pensions which are already the lowest in the EU even though the UK is one on the richest countries, not only in the EU but the world.
    As soon as the shackles are off the new government must increase the state pension and end the frozen pension policy so that ALL state pensioners are treated equally.

    • David, 14 years a kipper) says:

      He must be at the bottom now if he is using Gordy. Desperate indeed.

      • Frances Fox says:

        David well said and proud of you. It is the Remainers that are concerned about their pensions if we leave the EU.

  8. Francesca Macfarlane says:

    Maybe Archbishop Welby backs Remain, but Peter Smith, the Catholic Archbishop of Southwark has hit out at Project Fear, describing Chancellor George Osborne’s warning of economic doom in the event of Brexit as “ludicrous”. Speaking to Vatican Radio, Archbishop Smith bemoaned the fact that the European Union (EU) referendum debate was focusing so much on economics, saying it was impossible to forecast the long-term economic impact of Brexit.

    Archbishop Smith, who is deputy chair of the Bishops Conference of England and Wales, added that the single currency had not worked for the continent’s poorest countries, and that many in Britain do not want to be part of a United States of Europe. “When we joined the European Union many decades ago, one of the chief arguments was about trade, that we would be better off and it would help the economy,” he said. “The problem is that the EU has become extremely bureaucratic. It’s not working with the euro, and I think all of us are glad we didn’t go into the euro.”
    See – http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/24/archbishop-hits-osbornes-anti-brexit-scare-stories/

    • David, says:

      They are accusing each side of inacurate figures, lying, yet all must be made aware we were taken in by lies, by Heath & Wilson. The records prove this.

  9. Ken Walker says:

    Norwegian style? Already planned!
    Government response to a petition says:
    “….we will have to accept significant trade-offs. These include accepting the free movement of people, contributing to the EU’s programmes and budgets, and being bound by the rules of the Single Market…” So what will change?

  10. mike5262015 says:

    Well, did you see Her Majesty and the Royal Family on the Mall ? How on earth are there people who want this Kingdom reduced to about ten administrative units of the E.U. ?

  11. Anyoldiron says:

    Many of TODAY”s pensioners fought in that last WAR for freedom for our Government to Govern this GREAT Country themselves and “According to Law”. This we cannot do as long as we remain in the present European Union. A Union we should never have joined had those in the Houses of Parliament in those days told the people exactly what the then EEC was eventually to become. All the debates regarding joining what was then called, “The Common Market”. All of those debates are recorded in HANSARD.
    Remember this from “Hansard, HC Deb 03 August 1961 vol 645 cc1651-714 , “This is a political as well as an economic issue” Ah no, because we were not indeed told but we were told it was just a Common Market. And this one from, “HC Deb 31 July 1961 vol 645 cc928-42” Mr. Fell, “Is the Prime Minister aware that this decision to gamble with British sovereignty in Europe, when 650 million people of the British Commonwealth depend upon his faith and his leadership, is the most disastrous thing that any Prime Minister has done for many generations past”? All so soon after so many gave THEIR lives for our FREEDOM in that last WAR. It is ALL there in HANSARD for you to read.
    Be prepared to either “weep” or get really very angry and then listen carefully at what we are being told NOW. Disaster if we ‘vote out’ yet in my book, it would be exactly the same if we remain in.

  12. mike5262015 says:

    To me it is unbelievable that the Welfare State generations are even thinking of staying in the mess that is the E.U., with the ruling ethic that harkens to the Soviet Union model. Thank God my generation was not required to fight a World War, as was the lot of my parents and my grand- parents. What I find so annoying is the verbal drivel, that comes across, that it is the E.U. that makes war impossible. – Just look at their stupidity with Yugoslavia, and their lack of learning years later with Ukraine. If they continue like that, with a Euro Army to use, war is certain. For those who see a better life in the E.U., I would ask them to elevate their thinking, from the cheap mobile phone use on holidays, to the horror of being dragged into a war, not of our making, but very much to our cost in lives and wealth. VOTE OUT OF THE E.U.

  13. Frances Fox says:

    Archbishop Welby surprises me that he wants to remain rather than l;eave. Despite the many people that have been hurt through our Country being in the EU. Recessions, Manufacturing Loses, Jobs lost. Schools, hospitals, and housing not available to our own people.

    So I wonder why, and the only thing I can think of is Money that the Church collects and probably may be saved abroad. Churches do collect lots of money but still asks for more..

    • Jane Davies says:

      Yes it’s all about the money……anyone who wants to stay in has a financial agenda, the elite you will notice are the ones who want the status quo to stay the same and I include the religious leaders in that group. Bunch of hypocrites.

  14. Jane Davies says:

    Cameron is reported as saying during an interview on the BBC’s Andrew Marr program he would insist on staying on in Downing Street if the country votes to Leave.

    Erm no Dave…it’s the people who will decide that and a vote of no confidence.

  15. catweazle666 says:

    I see the Labour party have replaced Corbyn with Brown to lead their Referendum fightback, hoping to convince the blue collar Labour supporters – the ones that Brown called bigots because they were worried about the effect of immigration on their jobs, kids’ education etc.

    That’s going to work wonders – for Brexit!

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