Daily debrief June 19th

He would say that wouldn’t he?

Leaving the European Union would make the UK as significant as Guernsey, according to France’s economy minister.

Emmanuel Macron was reported on the BBC  as saying Britain would become “a little country on the world scale [that] would isolate itself… at Europe’s border.”

He said the EU should send “a very firm message” about the consequences of a British vote to leave the bloc.

Of course, he would say that wouldn’t he? After all, I’m sure French ministers want Britain to stay in the EU and carry on paying millions to it.

Doom and gloom 

Mewanhile, The Telegraph reports that currency traders are betting the pound will fall to record lows against the Euro if we vote to leave the European Union. They said the fall would eclipse the drops witnessed during the 2008 crash and the 1992 Black Wednesday crisis.

To that, I would say  that we’re the world’s fifth largest economy – our currency is a better bet than the Euro, which is a disaster in the making. The Euro is a bankruptcy machine that has brought economic depression and unemployment to most of southern Europe.

When we leave the EU, we will be Europe’s largest export customer, bar none. UK/EU trade is too important to be interrupted – and we buy far more from them that they buy from us, so the trade is even more important to their side.

We’ll still be buying their BMWs and Audis. They’ll still buy our Toyotas and Jaguars. If the European Commission tries to delay a trade agreement, they’ll find the leaders of continental industries kicking their doors down.

The Remain side warns us of job losses when we leave. I worry about the jobs we’re losing today, as a result of EU legislation.

You can read more about the benefits of Brexit in a recent piece I did in The Lincolnite.

Thriving outside the EU

Much more positive is an interview with Michael Gove in The Telegraph where he says Mr Gove says voters should have confidence in Britain’s capacity to achieve “great things” as an independent country that is wholly run by MPs who are democratically elected by the British people.

I couldn’t agree more – an independent Britain can thrive and crucially, cope with any future economic crises better if we are OUT.

Who’s back who – media spotlight

An interesting article in The Independent – which papers are Brexit and Remain. I will let you read more but its fascinating to read the editorials and in some cases, quite surprising!

PM sidelined from Remain campaign

Well, well, it appears Labour and its leader Jeremy Corbyn are going to lead the fight for Remain in the last few days of the referendum.

Sunday Express claims that on polling day Stronger IN will be operating from Labour’s head office in London – a further signal that David Cameron has been sidelined.

Imagine that, The Prime Minister being thrown a lifeline by Mr Corbyn – you couldn’t make it up.

But despite all that, Mr Cameron is adamant he will still be PM after the vote – saying the result of Thursday’s ballot was “not a verdict on me” and insisted he was the best person to lead negotiations with Europe in the result of a Leave victory. Time will tell…


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27 Responses to Daily debrief June 19th

  1. Phil Casburn says:

    Sterling will bounce back very quickly when eveyone realizes the “doomsday” rhetoric of the Government was really just part of project fear…!!!

  2. Alan Wheatley says:

    Re “Doom and gloom”, what is particularly interesting will be to see what happens to the pound just before the polls open on Thursday; it having been talked down what an opportunity to make a killing!

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      How do Sterling holders arrange to make a killing? I would if I could! £20 grand of it!

      • Alan Wheatley says:

        The Stirling holders’ don’t but those who buy just before a rise would.

        I am not suggesting either of the campaigns are attempting to move the market, but if the market moves in response to what campaigners’ say them, presumably , those who trade currency for a living will take advantage of opportunities presented to them.

        So, for those of us who can but watch, it will be interesting to see what happens.

      • Ken Dickenson says:

        He means people such as the “Common man’s Banks”. You know, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan. They do the same with commoddities. They ‘arrange’ for the prices of gold, silver etc to fall dramatically and then they buy tons of it cheaply. The prices of them then rise dramatically and they have fleeced us all again.

  3. RODNEY OLLEY says:

    If the remainers win on the 23rd it may be the beginning of the countdown to when the UK is just a region of Europe. There will be one last future chance and that is that a conglomeration as unwieldy as the EU will bring about its own demise but that will be a painful and unprepared for UK exit. One thing that is indisputable is that if we had never joined and continued our trade with the Commonwealth, plus the rest of the world; not been restricted by mountains of ridiculous rules; not handed over huge amounts of our money (spent it more wisely here) and been able to control our borders we would be massively better off today. We would not have a housing crisis and a patient would not have to wait two weeks to see his/her GP. I have apologised now several times to the younger members of my family for the fact that I was one who voted to join in 75 and played my part in the loss of so much of their birthright. As my Brexit vote will make some small redress for the wrong I did to them I will be standing outside the polling station at opening time banging on the door.

    • John S Churchill Jnr says:

      “I was one who voted to join in 75 and played my part in the loss of so much of their birthright.”
      No you didn’t, you voted to stay in! Just a pedantic correction. But why are we not making more of your point about “Last Chance Saloon”? We should be hammering this point home hereon in.
      Again, pedantically, we won’t be just a Region of the EU but 12 of them! The Palace of Westminster is falling down. Remaining save to cost of putting that right!

  4. Shieldsman says:

    I have just read the Mail on Sunday. on page 9 we have: –
    Exclusive: Jo’s Last Message.
    ‘We cannot allow voters to fall fall for the spin that a vote to Leave is the only way to deal with concerns about immigration’.

    Labour ignorance and the failure of the Mail to do any research again. Cameron will not get his emergency brake, and he stands no chance of negotiating any change to Article 45 ever within EU membership.

    The remain campaign has been lies and yet more lies. They live in La-La land.

    The poll in the Mail is ridiculous, they ask too many questions of so few people. The only question the poll needs to ask is IN or OUT. Who do you think will win? is a qualified question asking the respondent for an opinion which he can only guess at.

  5. Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

    Interesting piece about the papers backing the two sides. Proprietors are covering their important little places.

    • Phil Casburn says:

      The greatest overall issue I see, which I assume those who are voting to remain have not seen, is… If the exit and entanglement is so difficult and stressful now… Why would anyone in their right mind want to stay any longer and practically move faster towards the point of no return??? Staying in the EU now will make it near impossible to ever resume our status as a Sovereign and Independent nation… unless of course then a 3rd world war remedies the EU’s Nationalist Federalisms drive to a Monoculture…!!!

      • Jane Davies says:

        I think the EU’s years are numbered…let’s get out and be up and running independently before this happens or the UK will go down with the ship and the possible financial implications of that could be catastrophic.

  6. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Don’t see the point of viewing/listening to the media anymore. So switch is off and our four OUT votes are ready to go.

    Here’s hoping!

  7. John S Churchill Jnr says:

    I read in yesterday’s Daily Mail that Tesco is in a precarious position. If, because it has been funding our opponents, we could organise something of a boycott this would punish them to the point of pain. But just like the EU punishing Brexit, it won’t work! Tesco customers patronise the chain because it provides a service to them which they would find inconvenient to replace (My wife knows her way around the local store, so declines to participate). That’s why the EU (citizens) will not punish a Brexit Britain; they buy our products because they meet their needs at an acceptable price.

    Notwithstanding, I undergo some inconvenience to get petrol elsewhere even if a few p costlier! Just a small futile gesture to salve my conscience!

  8. Jane Davies says:

    Emmanuel Macron is what 35 years old? He can be forgiven for his ignorance but not for his stupid comment. He of course is too young to know anything about the UK before we were conned by Heath into joining this corrupt club. I hope he is man enough to apologise in the future when he is proved wrong.
    A lot of bad comments about the Farage poster….not sure it was a wise thing to do, but I’m not seeing starving refugees in that picture, just a steady stream of fit looking young men. Not a family with little ones in sight. But this has not stopped the negative comments about being racist from the Remain camp which is why I hesitate to approve of it. This late in the game we need to beef up the positive and leave the negatives to the Remain lot.

    • Alan Wheatley says:

      It was notable this morning that the BBC were asking all and sundry what they thought of the UKIP poster, thus allowing them to build up an anti-UKIP sentiment. They chose not to ask UKIP, not even to allow a right of reply. Typical BBC as we have seen over many years, and just when there were signs of them being more even handed.

      Could it be that someone has been whispering in a very senior BBC ear, reminding them that Charter renewal is still being determined.

      • Jane Davies says:

        Being across the pond I’m a bit behind what’s happening on the UK TV news so I’m not surprised this poster is causing a back lash against UKIP, so my comment above has not been influenced by what is being said in the UK, it’s purely my own take on it.
        So now this poster has backfired on UKIP…….now a bit of damage limitation needs to be done as time is running out so get to it Roger and Nigel and all of those who support Leave, time is of the essence.

      • Alan Wheatley says:

        Jane, the only sense in which the poster has backfired is that those who don’t like the message have been allowed to get away scot free with shooting the messenger.

        Be assured that in Herefordshire the next few days are flat out campaigning to Leave.

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      Think that poster showed invasion Jane. Immigration like all other aspects of this topic requires adequate control. All VI’s reject/ignore anything about control. The cost of this huge uncontrolled mess is yet to come…

      All the experts are on a Parliament Channel debate now.(Newsbeat from Birmingham).
      The remain types immediately become emotional and pretty much offended. Curry shops dying…as they have for the last 15 years. Can get a good curry from Morrisons…sort of?

      Still wondering where the invaders of RAF Akrotiri (Cyprus) are now…actually they got housed there. When I was in the RAF I needed points to get on the married quarter list…weird stuff!

  9. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    The EU and the UN have many common features: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2794991

  10. Shieldsman says:

    The Ukip poster is relevant in the fact that the Commission under Juncker has not found a solution to the migrant invasion of Europe. It is no good saying they are asylum seekers/refugees when they are not. Being PC and hiding from the facts does not solve the problem. Germany
    saying it has a falling birthrate does not excuse Chancellor Merkel for making the unilateral decision to invite a million migrants to trample through your neighbours Country.

    The fact is the World is experiencing a population explosion problem despite the supposed disastrous effects of global warming. Little wonder they all want to get to the land of milk and honey as they visualise – Europe.

    • Alan Wheatley says:

      Exactly, Shieldsman.

      For World problems one would have thought the UN would be taking the lead, but I am not holding my breath!

      The Merkel point is very relevant. It is not that she unilaterally made the invitation to “come”, it is not that when she found too many came she unilaterally said that there must be burden sharing throughout the EU; the even more significant point to my mind is that the 27 other heads of government acquiessed without a murmur. So who is running the EU now?


    THREE DAYS, AND THEN WE VOTE : Upon this vote the United Kingdom will stand, or may well disappear for good. Upon this vote Democracy in Europe depends. Once more it is this Nation that is leading the way as guarantee for the whole continent. DON’T LET US DOWN. DON’T LET EUROPE DOWN. ………. VOTE OUT, but don’t expect any Thank yous !

  12. Ex-expat Colin says:

  13. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Suffer the little children under the EU… (Kenya and coffee beans etc)


  14. Anyoldiron says:

    I did not go through a terrible WAR, and bombed out of House and Home just to continue to PAY foreigners to Govern us. Especially when we vote to fill that House of Commons they SHOULD indeed be Governing this Country by and through its very own Common Law Constitution. If they cannot do that, then our own longstanding Common Law Constitution is redundant/destroyed/ etc and to destroy our Constitution is indeed TREASON. So many gave THEIR lives in that last World WAR so that we could continue to be Governed by and through our very own Constitutional Documents.

    To continue to PAY foregners to govern us, is to betray all those that gave THEIR lives for our FREEDOM. If we have to continue to PAY foreigners, then it is time to empty both those Houses of Parliament, and obey our own Constitution that forbids us encouraging or obeying foreigners Governing us-that was why we went to WAR in 1939-1945-to prevent those foreigners Governing us then-when their Leader was HITLER..

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