Post Referendum Debrief July 1st

Boris back-stabbed

The huge story yesterday was of course the brutal butchery of Boris Johnson.  Was this a long-planned assassination by Gove, intent on seizing the Leadership of the Conservative Party?  I think not.  It seems that Gove became more and more concerned that Boris seemed a bit casual about quite what Brexit meant, and in particular was prepared to compromise on the immigration/free-movement question.  As I said in yesterday’s debrief, he’d end up with his head on a spike if he betrayed the British people and the Brexit voters on that fundamental point.  The “leak” of Mrs. Gove’s letters may or may not have been orchestrated, but I give Gove the credit of believing he acted for genuine motives — although it may not seem so to Boris.

The Times has a conspiracy theory.  It claims that BoJo offered to stand down in exchange for a promise from Theresa May that she would stand down before the 2020 election.   I wonder if the deal was struck at the Granita Restaurant?

The Independent and the i pick up a Shakespearean theme, showing an uncharacteristically subdued Boris Johnson under the headline “Et tu, Brute?”. But the Ides of March have been and gone.

The Express headlines “Gove: I’ll lead us out of the EU”.  This is the same Gove who has repeatedly insisted that he lacked the qualifications to be Prime Minister, and had no aspiration for the job.

The Sun carries an amusing headline “There’s a deep pit in hell for you, Gove”.  The Telegraph speaks of “An act of midnight treachery”  Very poetic.

But where does that leave Gove?  And indeed the campaign?  Gove has a big intellect, and has fought hard in the Brexit campaign.  But he’s a little short in the charisma department.  To be frank, if unkind, he comes across as a bit geeky.  The ideal back-room guy.  A great number two.  A superb adviser.  But Prime Minister?  He doesn’t look like that to me.

Then there’s Theresa May (said by some to be planning to change her name from “Theresa May” to “Theresa Will”).  Equally lacking in charisma.  Grey.  Dull.  Just downright boring.  Did ever a long-serving Minister in one of the great offices of state manage to stay so much under the radar?  She’s certainly no Margaret Thatcher.

So who?  There’s Stephen Crabb (and as I asked, “Who?”).  And (much more interesting) Liam Fox and Andrea Leadsom.  Both are sound on Brexit. As I recently Tweeted, they both “get it” on Europe.  I think either would make a great Prime Minister.  Andrea had a brilliant campaign – superb in the debates.  I’m also struck by the fact that two people whose judgement I respect – Chris Heaton-Harris MP, and Simon Richards, Director of the Freedom Association (of which I was once Chairman) have come out for Andrea.  But you can make up your own mind (although, of course, UKIPpers won’t get to vote in that election).

The Obituary

Well, political obituary.  Max Hastings in the Mail offers us the most disgraceful hatchet job on Boris, taking a prurient delight in trashing his dirty linen on our breakfast tables.   This holier-than-thou piece reflects rather more badly on Hastings than on Johnson.   Enoch Powell’s dictum that “all political careers end in failure” comes to mind.  But I suspect we may yet hear more of the ebullient BoJo.  The Mirror quotes that egregious bad loser Michael Heseltine on Boris “You deserted the battlefield leaving the UK in ruins” .  No Michael.  He merely abandoned a contest which it seems he could not have won.

Six EU countries against Nicola

We’ve been following the travails of Scotland’s First Minister as she desperately tries to make mischief over the Brexit vote – and indeed, “desperate” is the word for it.  A lukewarm reception in Brussels, knocks-back from France and Spain.  Now the Scottish Daily Mail headlines “Now Six EU countries say No to Sturgeon” (though I believe they’re OK with caviar). Spain, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Denmark have all said that it is wrong for Sturgeon to try to negotiate separately with the EU.  Her initiative (says the paper) is “in tatters”.

Good news on the City

City A.M. devotes the front page to a positive story.  “The Footsie bounces back” (it’s at 6500+ as I write) “and a majority of investors say that London will remain a top financial centre”.  Indeed it will – any losses in the European markets will be more than compensated in global growth.

The Telegraph reports HSBC’s decision to keep its headquarters in London “for a generation” (while warning that some jobs might move to Paris, depending on terms of UK/EU trade).  As HSBC had recently considered relocating to Hong Kong, this is excellent news.

Not all commentators share the same view.  The New York Times (not always a friend of the UK) asks, disobligingly, “Which city will become the new London?”.  Don’t hold your breath, guys.

FTSE up, Pound down

City AM reports that Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, has promised “a host of measures” to ensure stability in the post-Brexit-vote period, including a cut in interest rates.  Having been outrageously partisan during the campaign, and toeing the Treasury line, Carney now seems to have got a grip, and started behaving responsibly.  The Times puts a negative slant on it: “Pound slides as Carney offers fresh stimulus”.  Indeed the Pound edged down slightly on Carney’s promise – but that’s how currency markets usually respond to interest rate cuts.  The Telegraph offers “FTSE hits ten month high as Pound falters”.

Exit first, haggle later

EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrőm has insisted that there can be no trade talks until Britain formally decides to quit the EU, and invokes Article 50, reports the BBC.   I am the very last person to support a proposition from Brussels, but it’s difficult to deny she has a point.  If it’s negotiate first and decide to leave based on the outcome, member-states will be queueing up to try their luck.  Despite the Tory leadership election, I believe that we – Britain, the government – should get on with it.

EU/Turkey negotiations re-open

Just a week after we were assured that Turkey would not join the EU until the year 3000, the BBC reports that the EU has opened a new chapter in its accelerated Turkish accession programme.

Tell us you’re not serious, Tony!

According to the Telegraph, Tony Blair has said that EU negotiations will require statesmanship (so far so obvious), and appears to be hinting that he’s the man for the job.  Preposterous, coming from the man who gave away a chunk of Maggie’s rebate in exchange for vague promises from the EU that never materialised.

Corbyn takes one foot out of his mouth – and puts the other one in

Presenting a new report on the alarming level of casual anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn struck almost the right note, generously affirming that it was wrong to compare Israel to the Nazis.  Then, in a volte-face that would be almost comical if it were not so shocking, he proceeded to imply a parallel between Israel and ISIS.    Words fail me

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46 Responses to Post Referendum Debrief July 1st

  1. terry sullivan says:

    it must not be may–she is a remainer

  2. foxbarn says:

    Brilliant again Roger. Very useful insights. Isn’t Carney’s ‘I might need to cut interest rates to cover Brexit crisis’ really a cover for his blatant bias, supporting ‘remain’ from the off…and his total failure to predict A) the outcome of the referendum and B) the market’s reaction which has been a 14% increase in the FTSE since the BBC/loony left hissy fit on finding the public saw through project fear.

    Note how the BBC/Guardianistas now have to fall back onto their favourite whine: ‘WAYCISM!’ Yes, Brexit is causing WAYCISM…and hate! Not that any of them have any black friends if you look at their facebook pages. And if you want to see hate just Google ‘suicide bomb’ in the last week (another today) but the Left cannot bring themselves to mention it because they might be accused of waycism and THAT is worse than death to a Guardian reader.

  3. “Corbyn takes one foot out of his mouth – and puts the other one in”
    I had to leave this part of the article out of my Cheshire West reproduction of this blog, largely because it is opinion but mostly because Israel the state ceased to exist 2700 years ago, the modern version is a re-creation of religious fanatics funded by billionaires being used as a proxy agent to fight wars against its neighbours having first invaded and subdued the actual inhabitants which it uses as mere target practice. It is surprising how these similarities do not build up.

  4. Shieldsman says:

    I like your summing up of the real politics of the Gove/Johnson relationship, Roger. The one all and sundry missed in pursuit of their Machiavellian theories.
    Gove is my MP and I have met him, he is honest and sincere but lacks charisma. Bojo is full of bonhomie but lacks the real ability to be PM and make the right decisions. Take for example his idea of closing Heathrow and building a new airport in the Thames when everyone had rejected it.

    This what I said yesterday: Of the two reluctant Brexit campaigners Gove was the sincerest. Johnson probably saw it as a ticket to No.10, but is no longer sure of being successful in exiting the EU and the hard work it will entail. Better to leave it to another time.
    Gove possibly with Johnson’s approval realises he has been left holding the baby (Brexit). He is one of the few honest and sincere eurosceptics to take on the task.
    The Conservative Party was ill prepared for a leadership contest. George Osborne the heir apparent scuppered his chances with all the scaremongering.

    Are the Conservative Party going to tear themselves apart, like the Labour Party over their leadership. They have many very able eurosceptic back benchers who simply do not want the aggro of being PM. In departing Cameron has at least repeated that open freedom of movement is not tradeable. He did spend three years talking about immigration control and achieved absolutely nothing.

    Heaven save us from the opinions of Blair, Heseltine, Clarke, Clegg et al. Why don’t they just get lost.

  5. Anyoldiron says:

    I think you already know the answer to the question you are asking Roger

  6. foxbarn says:

    I hope no one minds me posting The Reverend Peter Mullen’s latest essay about Theresa May, I think it is relevant to the discussion here.

    Peter Mullen’s Monday column for 4th July

    I am conservative in my political views, but I hesitate to mention this in case it leads you to think I support the Conservative party. This party does not promote traditional Toryism: like New Labour, they have “modernised” – that is to say, abandoned their historic principles in order to please the metropolitan elite, the politically-correct chattering classes of Hampstead and Islington. Not for nothing did Cameron describe himself as “the heir of Blair.” So I fully understand why this Conservative party will back the totally useless wet Theresa May for the Tory leadership.

    Last week, Mrs May asked us to “Judge me on my record.” Happily, there is a lot of record on which to judge her, since she is the longest-serving home secretary since 1945. Her tenure was a singular catalogue of errors and incompetence. Recall 2014 and the chaos caused by the delay in the issue of passports. May claimed this was owing to “a surge in applications,” but it turned out she had been warned the year before that her policy of closing overseas processing offices had resulted in a backlog of 360,000 applications and weeks of delay.

    She complained that the Human Rights Act permitted suspected terrorists to continue living in this country under the clause that speaks of their right “to a family life.” She cited the case of one such suspect who was not deported “because he had a pet cat.” Then – trademark May – after so complaining, she did nothing to get the Act amended. As home secretary, she was in charge of the police. She cut their numbers and their budget during a long period in which the terrorist threat was at its highest. She sat back and did nothing while in Rotherham, Leicester, Bradford, Rochdale and a dozen other towns and cities the police failed to stop the wholesale rape and sexual abuse of under-age white girls by Muslim men. She was slow and indecisive in her pathetic attempt to intervene in the infiltration of schools in Birmingham by Islamic extremists. And she allows sharia courts to operate in parallel with British law – and this in spite of the fact that such courts are complicit in the mistreatment of Muslim women by their menfolk.

    The list of her sins, negligences and ignorances, her half-baked and deranged actions and inactions is almost endless. But the most catastrophic of all her many failures was her record on immigration. As home secretary, it was her remit to put into practice Cameron’s declared aim of reducing the number of immigrants from over half a million every year to “the tens of thousands.” In fact, during her tenure immigration increased yet further. But this is the truly laughable bit – were it not so catastrophic for our country: May claimed she was powerless to reduce immigration “because of Shengen, the EU’s open borders rule.” And then she voted for Remain! How’s that for joined-up thinking?

    And yet, prompted by his sinister wife, Michael Gove has entered the leadership contest for the sole purpose of keeping out the most intelligent and able candidate, Boris Johnson. The Tory wets stand by applauding such treachery. These self-serving political pygmies don’t care a jot for the future of our country. Yes, Mrs May, I will do as you ask and judge you on your record. And, in the light of it, I will fear mightily for the greater damage you will wreak when you get the keys to Number Ten.

    Now you see why an old Tory like me has no time for today’s Conservative party.

    • Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

      I left the Tory party in late 2013 in disgust. I had watched a whole series of fairly limp wristed or even crazy policies come into force. How about defence? Our carriers and more to the point, the excellent Harriers were scrapped with no replacement ship for 7 years and aircraft for 10! You really could not make this up. Nimrod too was scrapped leaving us with virtually no maritime air cover. Solution? Rely on the French. 1940 anybody?

      Then, unsurprisingly, all sorts of problems popped up. Libya kicked off and we had to rely on the Italians for airbases. This they supplied but at an immense cost. Now we have migrants crossing the channel with just 3 patrol boats to look after our entire coastline. Our total is 5 vessels, but one is in the Med. I guess that if these vessels are as good as the new destroyers, the other one is broken. By contrast, the French have 40 patrol boats.

      Now that our maritime air reconnaissance is gone, it is quite impossible to track the illegals. Nobody foresaw this particular problem, but then nobody really foresaw the fall of communism or the Arab spring culminating in the toppling of Qaddafi and Mubarak either. I am not suggesting that this should have been foreseen. What I am saying is that to denude our country of mobile air power and maritime protection is criminal insanity.

      UKIP policies made sense. They addressed national issues of great concern in a sensible, pragmatic manner. Bringing back state funded grammar schools makes perfect sense. Not everyone has the ability to be a good plumber or lawyer. The two are miles apart in terms of ability and we need both. This education policy ensured that both types of person could shine regardless of background.

      The 2015 manifesto was the only one scrutinised by outside experts to verify that the sums added up. Nobody else was brave enough to to that, something that the electorate completely missed.

      What really did it for me though was a local issue. I had supported an aspiring councillor in a couple of campaigns, quite rightly too. But when that person was duly elected and given a cabinet post, my emails went unanswered. When I contacted the 3 local Tory councillors, two of whom I knew personally, they too went unanswered. Bear in mind that I had stood for the council twice in a virtually unwinnable seat.

      I looked at what else was on offer. Who was the politician who told it like it really was? Who was consistently proved absolutely correct in his predictions? Who did more to expose the corruption of the EU and the huge damage it was doing our country? Nigel Farage. This was a man who spoke in a way that everybody could understand. A straight talker with the facts at his fingertips and a direct, clear, honest style.

      I am proud to have stood for office for UKIP twice now and will be standing again in the 2018 local elections.

      I am delighted that we have voted to leave the EU, but our work has only just started. I fully expect the EU to be as difficult as possible and I also expect whoever leads the Tories to be tempted to continue the sell out started all those years ago by Harold MacMillan and brought to full fruition by Ted Heath. My problem with the Brexit campaign was that it was never clear as to precisely what Brexit actually meant. This situation has not changed.

      My vision is out of the EU, the Single Market and the European Convention on Human Rights. The latter has been hi-jacked by the loony left and is used as a criminal’s charter that brings misery to the law abiding majority. It also ridicules the concept of obeying the law at pretty much any level given some of the mad decisions that have been foisted on the UK. As a result, worse and worse behaviour is now regarded as normal, be that Saturday night drunkenness or soaring, unpunished criminal behaviour. Crime pays, and quite well too.

      Nobody is doing anything about this and the Labour heartlands are beginning to realise that Labour in whatever phase of newness it is currently found, really does not care.

    • sulli9 says:

      if may is appointed the she will delay A50 until next year–then we need all 27 others to agree–do not vote for may–shes even more hopeless than boydave

    • vera says:

      While I’m a fan of Boris, the last thing we need right now is a PM who is ambivalent about Brexit. We voted for Brexit that’s what we want, total Brexit, no strings, no conditions, no yes you can have this but only if you do that. We do not want a second referendum on this, no back tracking. We want our democratic vote respected.

  7. Richard111 says:

    What ever the current political mess up, I hope someone takes note of the constituency boundaries as set up by Labour. I can see in a few years the ratio of Muslim MPs to Muslim voters taking control of Parliament.

    • Bernard Hough says:

      A contested seat, three candidates, Labour, Conservative, Lib. Dems. One an immigrant.
      Initially the vote divided depending on the voters party.
      The immigrants who have the vote and no allegiance to any party vote for the immigrant candidate.
      This in both parliamentary and local government including the mayor.
      How long before the majority in government are from the immigrant population.
      How long before our laws etc. are replaced by their ideals.
      Then! Girls and Gays be very afraid.
      We are older and wiser, listen to us.

  8. Watch out….Mr Osborne may be using Brexit as a cloak for our large debt and use it as an excuse for his over spending

  9. ilma630 says:

    Definitely has to be Andrea Leadsome, but Sturgeon must also now know her leadership is in jeopardy, having taken a truly idiotic, unrealistic and completely unattainable line.

  10. Anyoldiron says:

    To Boris, Get yourself up, dust yourself down and start all over again. DO IT!

  11. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Association Agreement…Georgia: (today 1/7/16)

    The High Representative/Vice-President, Federica Mogherini said: “With the full entry into force of our Association Agreement with Georgia, the EU-Georgia relationship becomes both broader and deeper, to the benefit of us all. The EU is looking forward to further strengthening its cooperation with a country that is still working on crucial reforms in areas such as the rule of law, the accountability rules for public decision-makers and transparency.”

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2369_en.htm

    Is she describing the EU or Georgia (both?):

    “a country that is still working on crucial reforms in areas such as the rule of law, the accountability rules for public decision-makers and transparency”

    • Ex-expat Colin says:

      get your cheque books out !!

      • Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

        Crikey, no wonder Vlad is so angry. Having royally screwed up Ukraine, the EU is now spreading its tinsel promises to Georgia and aiming to bring NATO right into Putin’s back garden. I would be cross too.

        Is there no limit to the EU’s stupidity? Where do we go once we have passed surreal?

      • sulli9 says:

        we have voted out! cancel all payments now

  12. RODNEY OLLEY says:

    Brexiters should be extremely wary of losing the victory. Every dirty trick possible is now being dreamed up to try to keep us in the thrall of the EU. I notice with the Impendent today that even an innocuous word like ‘overpopulation’ is removed. I must admit that it scared me witless when it seemed leading Brexiters were rowing back on commitments made during the campaign; such apparent dishonesty is manna for the remainers. We could still lose so don’t let’s be in a state of false euphoria. We may need to be out on the streets again and as the old saying goes ‘we need to keep our powder dry’.

    • Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

      Quite right. UKIP and Nigel were swiftly frozen out of the campaign both nationally and locally. Not only do we need to keep our powder dry but we need to stock up on ammunition.

  13. Anyoldiron says:

    With friends like Gove, who needs enemies? Sadly, Mr Gove has done more harm to himself than he has to Boris. So Mr Gove, WELL DONE INDEED.

  14. Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

    I love Corbyn. He is fabulous news. He has lost the support of his parliamentary party yet retains a great following among the membership. As a result, he makes a decent case for not stepping down. Labour is in the process of falling apart, but unlike the Tories, there is no first aid in sight.

    We will pick up the sensible disaffected Labour voters and Labour will remain unelectable for ages to come.

    I support Corbyn on any mental lefty forum I can find. Of course he has a mandate and should stay. The people have spoken. The more they back him, the safer we are. So far, they have fallen for it!

  15. mike5262015 says:

    Most of Westminster are playing Leapfrog. Very few have their eye on this Nation’s requirements. Why not have a General Election ? We could see the back of so many back-biters, self interested career space-wasters. Bring in the new faces from UKIP. – New ideas for a new approach. Look at the front benches of both sides of the Commons ! Can you, with a smidget of neutral political impartiality, see anyone who can wear the crown of P.M. ? Damned if I can ! If they all went missing tonight, would the Nation be any worse off ?

    • Jane Davies says:

      I agree a general election is needed asap but this can’t happen overnight….meanwhile a team of Brexit voting politicians are needed to start the process of removing the shackles of the EU and to invoke Article 50 and they must do it now.
      Please do not let that vile, greedy and money grubbing man Blair anywhere near this process. Why this man is not facing charges of war crimes is beyond me……he must have the biggest brass neck on the planet to even THINK he should be doing anything other than hide under a rock and never to been heard from again.
      Michael Gove for PM? A bit geeky and does he have the backbone and balls needed to direct this transition? Answers on a postcard please……I’m not convinced at the moment.

      I said the other day….anyone but Boris now I’m saying anyone but Theresa May! Oh my gawd what a bunch of Muppets…….

  16. Anyoldiron says:

    Roger, please tell Boris to get right back up again, dust himself down and start all over again. Mr Gove has let himself down-and he did it all on his own. Sadly, if he can do that to his best friend, what on earth would he say about the rest of us? YUP, and sadly we have to continue to contribute to his wages!

  17. rtj1211 says:

    I”m afraid the MSM reporting of politics in general is at the level of student union politics. Everything is about plots. The concept that Boris might be better opening doors for Britain around the world, in partnership with a team of hard-headed negotiators to iron out the terms of deals struck than being PM is never considered. Charisma will get you null points against Vladimir Putin, after all. Someone with experience of the darker arts of military conflict might be a better bet there.

    The question with Boris is now, as it was at the time he was successfully become the London Mayor: ‘whilst he is brilliantly skilled at all the arts of electioneering, media management and generalised self-promotion, does he actually know what he wants to do when he gets there?’ I have always had my doubts and, whilst a City like London can pretty much run itself without a Mayor a country needs a competent Prime Minister to be taken seriously around the world.

    I’ve never been within a million miles of Boris Johnson but I have never found myself thinking: ‘I know exactly what this man stands for and, on the crucial substantive issues of the day, I am absolutely sure what I know I am going to get from him’.

    My personal opinion is that Andrea Leadsom will be seen as the best candidate from the Brexiteers, however they will have to recognise that if they want what is best for Britain, rather than most comforting for their own personal prejudices they cannot trash Remain candidates based on their Referendum position rather than their competence. 48% of people voted remain, after all……

    With someone like Theresa May, anyone considering supporting her has to get a non-fudgable set of written guarantees as to her not going ‘native’ on Brexit. An enormous number of metaphorical land-mines are being laid out by ego-filled Remainiacs, both in the UK, in the EU and in the USA and Brexiteers will have to be mindful of how to defuse them all to reach their promised land.

  18. Roger Turner says:

    I am off to a Leave celebration tomorrow,
    Apart from a few drinks and tabnabs, I am assured we will be able to talk over some ideas for the future of UKIP.
    This will be in the absence (I anticipate) of any guidance from Head Office..
    I know it`s only a week since the great day.
    But there is a whole drama out there in which we do not appear to be participating.
    I refer to the apparent state of catatonic shock in the Conservative Party, the complete meltdown of the Labour party and the disappearance of the LimpDems
    UKIP have been demonised and excluded from the media, I can understand why, we got them in to this “mess” and so we are the whipping boy (people don`t like being told the truth
    We were meant to disappear after only winning one seat in the 2015 GE, not only did we not oblige, but we were strengthened by 4million votes that we must have taken from someone and the Conservatives were not meant to win the election and give a referendum.
    We can never be forgiven for that, and hence we must be vilified forever.
    But…………….there is a vacuum and if we are sharp we can nip in and fill it
    We have to win the peace.
    The problem is all the failed parties have had 40 years of “being” EU, “thinking” EU “worshiping” EU So who is going to watch over them that they don`t give the game away and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.?
    Who will the visioning, inspiring and implementing the new enterprise oriented nation.
    Well it wont be the present gang of befuddled nutters, fighting like alley cats to look after their own futures (Politicians default position – at least those with 40 years corruption behind them.

    I put forward the cross party ,”GO” campaign mob, I know its a small parliamentary nucleus, but with the best part of 17 million votes behind them the present incumbents cannot afford (if they value their parliamentary futures) to upset them

    Anybody care to help me??

    PS the new Commonwealth relationship needs investigating, nurturing and inclusive part of discussions at the heart of the new British set up – it`s no use telling them afterwards “this is what we have decided for you – take it or leave it” – we want harmony not resentment.

    But whatever, none of this can wait – we need action now and “GO” GROUP can be part of working groups immediately (even if they are ad hoc, something like Labour discussion groups – Common Purpose for instance) but 17 million votes MUST BE HEARD, and they are OURS

    • foxbarn says:

      Roger, I heard on LBC earlier that the NEC might vote to expel Douglas Carswell, probably/possibly the media concocting a story…is there any truth? But you are right, UKIP needs to get to work. I see that Arron Banks is putting his weight behind Leadsom.

      • Roger Turner says:

        Saw Carsewell on BBC QT last night, he had a hectoring torrid time from the chair, the basis of the challenge was – shouldn`t he be jumping ship, from toxic UKIP – don`t quite know what his answer was, it was swallowed up in the cacophony.

        Perhaps the NEC are getting the execution in before they get a damaging resignation
        Politics can be awful – especially when you win (all`s fair in love and war – and politics)

        Chairman of 22 Committee wasn`t against a cross party + talents team, but wondered if Nigel had qualifications, Nuttall wanted businessmen content. Unions wanted in as well had been told not wanted

      • foxbarn says:

        UKIP ‘toxic’ – because ‘the management’ NEVER understood branding and brand self destruction and keep stepping on landmines. Remember the UKIP calypso? Ye gods.

  19. Roger Turner says:

    I`v.
    e been having a thought about the obliterating attack on UKIP.
    I think it is Cameron,
    Just think about it. Farage and UKIP have destroyed the British Prime Minister.
    They have alienated half his party
    They Have caused such a disturbance in the Labour party that they have become virtually defunk.
    They have so undermined the whole UK political system, that the majority of the population question every move and decision they make,
    They have trashed and exposed the whole EU system for the corrupt and unsavoury set of shysters they are.
    They have rocked the whole world financial system.
    They have lit a beacon for further EU defections and possibly the eventual break up of the EU.
    Talk about Boris smashing things up he is just a novice compared with Nigel & UKIP, I always said I would have been proud to be one of John Major`s b*stards, I`m even more proud to be a Nigel foot soldier.

    Does anybody wonder Cameron could have said “GET NIGEL and the whole of UKIP while you are at it” “I want the whole lot wiped from the face of the earth”

    One problem; we have no intention of going away, and we are even more solid on that than some tosser named Corbyn

  20. Ex-expat Colin says:

  21. Richard111 says:

    Have just received this link. EVERY ONE SHOULD SEE IT. Absolutely horrific!

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