Post-Referendum Debrief August 16th

PM means business on Brexit?

So says The Independent, which claims Teresa May wants to put an end to ‘Government by headline’.

Writer Andrew Grice reports: “I think the pro-EU optimists will be disappointed, and expect that May will invoke Article 50 next January or February. Why? Because the rest of the EU is already furious enough about what it sees as foot-dragging in London.

“Other EU leaders have already given May extra time. When the Conservative Party leadership election was due to end in September, she planned to trigger Article 50 early next year and did not bring the date forward when she became PM in July. Any further delay might be counterproductive for Britain.

“Although the European Commission and May’s EU counterparts cannot force us to start formal negotiations, they can make life very difficult for us when we eventually do. And it is “when,” not “if”.

Of course, we must remember the Government has a tiny  majority of 12 – the PM has to reassure the Tory back benchers who voted for Brexit.

EU citizens left in limbo

An interesting report by the BBC, among others, on EU citizens in the UK.

Leading Vote Leave figure Gisela Stuart says EU citizens in the UK have been “left in limbo” since the referendum.

The Labour MP will head a research project on how to protect their rights after the UK leaves the EU.

The cross-party inquiry, for centre-left think tank British Future, will examine what kind of legal status could be granted to EU citizens in the UK.

And those British citizens living in the EU should also have their rights protected.

Wooing the Scots

Meanwhile, a report in The Financial Times reveals British ministers are in Scotland to reassure them on a Brexit future.

Andrew Dunlop, Scotland minister, arrived in Inverness on Monday to discuss Brexit with sectors including tourism, energy and food and drink, while David Mundell, Scotland secretary, met local governments last week and will visit Borders farmers on Wednesday.

 

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18 Responses to Post-Referendum Debrief August 16th

  1. Ex-expat Colin says:

    Vid within…don’t know when this was aired:

    “Professor Brian Cox in tense on-air clash with Australian climate change denier who thinks Nasa invented global warming”

    Stuff has been shaped though…be fair?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/brian-cox-in-tense-onair-clash-with-australian-climate-change-denier-who-thinks-nasa-invented-global-a3321156.html

    See all knifings, murders, hangings, road rage and drug stuff on other pages London Evening Standard. WTF you’d want to live there for …I really don’t know.

  2. Anyoldiron says:

    Is this true? After 31st March 2017 we allegedly lose the right to use Article 50 to leave the EU and the right to Repeal European Communities Act 1972.
    UK will then be completely tied to the EU.
    http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-…/

    We betray all those that gave THEIR lives for our FREEDOM to Govern ourselves Our Constitution FORBIDS US OBEYING FOREIGNERS. That was why we went to WAR in 1939-1945. The people have had their say regarding the EU and they have voted to LEAVE. This has to happen. Our Constitution forbids us obeying foreigners, that was indeed why we went to War in the first place. The people cannot continue to PAY foreigners to Govern. http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-leave-eu/
    http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-leave-eu/
    and the other side?
    http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2016/160628_02_en.htm
    A stronger Europe http://eeas.europa.eu/top_stories/pdf/eugs_review_web.pdf

  3. Anyoldiron says:

    After 31st March 2017 we allegedly lose the right to use Article 50 to leave the EU and the right to Repeal European Communities Act 1972. UK will then be completely hog tied by the EU.
    http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-…/

    We betray all those that gave THEIR lives for our FREEDOM to Govern ourselves Our Constitution FORBIDS US OBEYING FOREIGNERS. That was why we went to WAR in 1939-1945. The people have had their say regarding the EU and they have voted to LEAVE. This has to happen. Our Constitution forbids us obeying foreigners, that was indeed why we went to War in the first place. The people cannot continue to PAY foreigners to Govern. http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-leave-eu/
    http://www.theeuroprobe.org/after-31-march-2017-uk-cannot-leave-eu/
    and the other side?
    http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2016/160628_02_en.htm
    A stronger Europe http://eeas.europa.eu/top_stories/pdf/eugs_review_web.pdf

  4. Ex-expat Colin says:

    “Leading Vote Leave figure Gisela Stuart says EU citizens in the UK have been “left in limbo” since the referendum”.

    I would think that if you were living in a different country you might feel perpetually at risk. On the other hand you would be seriously dumb in believing in freedom to live anywhere..but they did. Funny how things get to dramatically change?

    And its a German in origin (Labour). We have ways you know…the German way by the looks of it!

    • KennieD says:

      Colin,
      Sorry, I don’t understand your post, from the second paragraph onwards. Sorry if I’m being a bit thick, but please explain.

      • Ex-expat Colin says:

        2nd para…if you believe what officials say/promise…you are dumb. Change occurs!

        3rd..she’s German in origin and a Labour MP in Brum. As our host points out..its the Brits in the EU that are of primary concern.

        Workers on contracts don’t face a problem anywhere….just the flighty pea pickers.

  5. Kevan Chippindall-Higgin says:

    Do we really need research done on this at public expense? I have never heard such nonsense.

    EU citizens here legally and productively have nothing to fear. This has consistently been the (largely ignored) UKIP line. Those who are here on benefits or contributing to our ghastly crime rate, well, they should have lots to worry about. We really do not need research and a report on something like this.

    While Gisela Stuart did a fine job for the Leave campaign, she has to revert to her Labour roots of spending as much money as possible on something that everybody already knows.

    Anyway, they are not in limbo. They still have a right to remain here and that will not change for some considerable time to come. They will only be at risk come late 2019 at the earliest and by then, their status will have been clarified because we must also look after our expats. Actually, our expats have little to fear because many of them live in countries that desperately need their money.

    • davidbuckingham says:

      ok we don’t need a major enquiry but the threat to EU citizens living here amounts to retrospective legislation – not exactly according to rule of law – and come on, 2019 might as well be tomorrow if you’re doing any medium term planning at all with your life

      • ian wragg says:

        Not retrospective if 23rd June is declared Independence Day. We gave the EU citizens plenty of notice that we intended to vote and just because the great and good got it wrong, tough.
        Anyone who arrived after 23rd June should be at risk as we voted for out. In my wifes shop we have seen an influx of Eastern Europeans this last couple of months, no doubt trying to beat the deadline.

  6. RobtheFox says:

    “And those British cıtızens living in the EU should also have their rights protected.”
    Does that include the continuation of paying the index linked State Retirement Pension to those currently living there and to those planning to move in the future?
    Under current UK legislation Section 20 of the Pension Act 2014 allows the government discretion on which countries are frozen and which are not. The EU law protecting them now will, of course, cease to do so….will they become frozen,too?.

    • Jane Davies says:

      Time to end this disgraceful theft of money from UK pensioners anyway. If one has paid, through NI contributions for an index linked state pension, then all pensioners are entitled to receive an index linked pension. Where one happens to live in retirement is irrelevant.

  7. ian terry says:

    Why are they wooing the Scots? Total waste of time. If you don’t support the referendum to be independent they ain’t going to listen. £3 million paid out for one day to turbine operators WTF
    are we playing at. Stop all this madness and pay the subsidies and constraint payments if you have to but tax them to leave them 20% profit nett. Same with the landowners leasing fees.

    How much debt are we in? We are paying out these sort of monies? Sheer bloody madness

  8. mike5262015 says:

    A PRISONER does his time and is released. Instead of walking through the gates of the prison to his freedom, he asks the guards if he can stay a while longer ! ………….. I was saying after the referendum result, that the best thing would be to have a General Election, since all Parties had got it wrong bar UKIP. Cameron, with some grace, fell on his sword, but we see the same Party in power, and this time Maria von Trapp is off listening to music in the Swiss hills ! ………….. Is anyone interested in signing Article 50 ? Or, taking the 1972 Act, which was illegal anyway, and setting this Nation free ? This messing about is sending me round the bend, and before anyone mentions the Act for full term Parliaments, let me remind you that in a Democracy, we, the people are supposed to be in charge. We just elect and employ these MP jokers !

    • RobtheFox says:

      Let me remind you Mike 5262015 that we the people held a general election in May 2015 and elected a parliament with a maximum term of five years; that’s Democracy! Just because you want something else does not make that decision of the people undemocratic.
      In securing an overall majority in that election the Conservative party manifesto contained a commitment to holding a Referendum on EU membership. That, you must appreciate, was but one aspect of many in the manifesto. The result of a referendum is advisory, not legally bindıng but as the governing party had stated it would abide by the result there was no justification or need for another general election – even if the Fixed Term could be by-passed.
      As regards the PM being away on holiday there is no immediate urgency for her to deal with. Her ministers are there to process the plans for withdrawal – it is not as easy as just telling the Golf Club secretary you are not renewing your subscription!
      Of course, it was anticipated that the election of the successor to Cameron would not be known until September anyway. He had already said that the exit programme was for whoever was appointed by the Queen to replace him.
      Yes, we the people does include Ukip supporters but not to the exclusion of others in the democratic system.

  9. Anyoldiron says:

    Roger. The people have voted to LEAVE the European Union. This has to happen, and it has to happen NOW. If all those in those two Houses of Parliament do not want to Govern this Country by and through its very own Common Law Constitution any more then ALL must come out of that wonderful building and get a proper job. The people were indeed fooled once before when they were told that “There would be no loss of essential Sovereignty” if we voted to remain in the then EEC, and its rather looks as if they are to be fooled again. I PRAY not, I really do. There was no point in allowing the people “A SAY” if those in Government are not prepared to leave the European Union NOW. Those presently in our Houses of Parliament must understand however, that the people are no longer prepared to pay for foreigners to Govern us. They have far better things to put their money towards. WE voted LEAVE-we BRITS have to be FREE. Free to govern ourselves. Time and the people’s patience is getting very short-This Government must take us out of the European Union and take us out NOW.

    • RobtheFox says:

      It ıs not as easy as tellıng the golf club secretary you will not be renewing your subscription! The referendum was only nine weeks ago and the process wıll take months. It ıs essentıal that the complıcated process ıs handled properly and to the best ınterests of the UK. As the sayıng goes “More speed but less haste”
      As a very sımple example what will be the position of those pensioners living in the EU, will they continue to get the index linking or wıll they be frozen (and for many have to return to the UK….at an average additional cost of £4,000 per pensıoner per year)?
      Just consider that situation in comparison with the dismantling of a system established over a period of forty plus years….and then building something to replace all the losses.

  10. Anyoldiron says:

    My Generation was in a WAR (1939-1945) to prevent foreigners Governing us. Our very own Common Law Constitution FORBIDS us obeying foreigners-that was why we went to war then. Had we not done so and HITLER had been over us-how many would have been alive after that War or did you not see the opening of those Concentration Camps? As school children were were taken from School to see the opening of those Concentration Camps-so that we would never forget, I certainly did not forget the opening of BELSEN.. I doubt any of us ever did forget what man can do and did to their fellow man.

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